Bob Mehew
Well-known member
[gmod]New topic split out following BCA AGM 2014.[/gmod]
I am going to have to eat humble pie :-[ and apologise to Simon. Today some of you might have heard that the BCA AGM accepted a motion stating: "That the meeting authorises the C&A Committee to follow up on CRoW." This has followed some work done by Tim Allen, Jenny Potts and myself which has completely turned my understanding of CRoW on its head. I won't describe the details of the meeting but simply put, the Chair was not minded to accept my original proposal as is required under the constitution. To his credit, he did allow considerable discussion on the topic and eventually gave way when I indicated I would be prepared to accept an amendment to my fairly detailed motion. Hence the above agreed motion. I think it does allow BCA to be able to say it is moving to help deal with this topic instead of allowing 'independent' cavers to run with it. I suppose I should apologise to the new Chair of C&A for handing him this poisoned chalice.
I would also like to emphasis that we are a long way from getting acceptance by significant bodies such as Natural England and Natural Resources Wales but at least BCA is now starting to take a step or two. Though I am hoping that it does not get bogged down by procedural matters like those that we spend nearly an hour and a half on today.
Bob Mehew said:Wrong. They don't have to challenge people at the road head, they can challenge them at the cave entrance. I assume you are not going to accept that a person found entering the cave is liable to having an injunction taken out against them on the basis that CROW does not cover access within a cave. (Though I accept it is only likely to be applied to a few people at most.)Simon Wilson said:But what CRoW has done is render the access agreement completely unenforceable.
I am going to have to eat humble pie :-[ and apologise to Simon. Today some of you might have heard that the BCA AGM accepted a motion stating: "That the meeting authorises the C&A Committee to follow up on CRoW." This has followed some work done by Tim Allen, Jenny Potts and myself which has completely turned my understanding of CRoW on its head. I won't describe the details of the meeting but simply put, the Chair was not minded to accept my original proposal as is required under the constitution. To his credit, he did allow considerable discussion on the topic and eventually gave way when I indicated I would be prepared to accept an amendment to my fairly detailed motion. Hence the above agreed motion. I think it does allow BCA to be able to say it is moving to help deal with this topic instead of allowing 'independent' cavers to run with it. I suppose I should apologise to the new Chair of C&A for handing him this poisoned chalice.
I would also like to emphasis that we are a long way from getting acceptance by significant bodies such as Natural England and Natural Resources Wales but at least BCA is now starting to take a step or two. Though I am hoping that it does not get bogged down by procedural matters like those that we spend nearly an hour and a half on today.