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Title: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on April 24, 2013, 07:47:46 pm
Worth trying another slide show link.

http://www.photobox.co.uk/slideshow?album_id=1857565731 (http://www.photobox.co.uk/slideshow?album_id=1857565731)
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on April 24, 2013, 08:30:31 pm
Sorry may be an unauthorised web link above. Try-


http://www.photobox.co.uk/creation/1858499210 (http://www.photobox.co.uk/creation/1858499210)
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on April 24, 2013, 08:59:58 pm
The few of me were taken by Peter assuming the link works and can be viewed.
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: Anon on April 24, 2013, 09:09:59 pm
First link worked as a slideshow for me, second worked and looked like a photobook layout, both could be enlarged to full screen..  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on April 25, 2013, 07:52:36 am
Thanks. The photos of me remain Peter Glanvill's copyright. :kiss2:
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on April 26, 2013, 06:07:15 pm
A bit of background then.

 I must add that the photos of me remain the copyright of Peter Glanvill.There are historic dig photos in there. The man with the dig tray ( I nicked from Boots ) is the late John Keat at the very start of our Faiiry Hilliers dig ultimately joining the two caves.The man with the beard in Shatter is the cave's discoverer. I forget his name but he got little credit in later years as did others .May still be a sore point so best desist.Those pic's would have been on one of the earliest trips in the cave. Me sans beard is during early digs at Dunstan's Well Cave.Pete Rose looking young is everywhere. He must have mirror copies of me. The workings are all 1970's with the crushing plant and boulder slope, part of Balch Cave. The green Teddy is my old dive buddy who comes along at times and still resides in the car.Graham Price is the silhoutte in Withyhill's Elephant trunk Chamber.The Karabiner shot shows the helectites before they got trodden on. That despite the tape. Other missing formations are the twisted stal at GP Junction ( Me in shot and others ) also the big curly curtain behind Pete Rose in the Column Chamber shot in Withyhill.There is also a close up of that. Ahh then there is the CSS cottage now in ruins. Happy days and the value of photography.

I should know the bearded man as I wrote the History of caving at FCQ published Aug 1977 by the Cerberus. Anyway it was Conway and Saxton who first entered Shatter Cave on the evening of April 8th 1969 after a fair bit of diggng. Mendip's big guns soon appeared and Conway and Saxton were relegated to history. Willie Stanton being the first to enter Tor Chamber. Others appeared willy nilly and a Wessex member walked over the crystal floor in Pillar Chamber. The mud is still there. For some weird reason Border Caving Club were allowed to take army cadets into Shatter and it was one of these that trod on the helectites.
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on April 26, 2013, 06:44:18 pm
So many photos are 1970's. Willie Stanton did consultation work for Hobb's Quarries and would have been called in immediately as would Bob Whittaker representing the Water authority. WL Cave had been recently found ( Whittaker Lavis ) though it was not known at the time that this was the ongoing fossil passage from Balch to Shatter. WL and Shatter were linked by us at a later date. The Shatter entrance was not part of the main cave but a hole blown into the side of it. Conway and Saxton found a draught from cracks here and started the dig. If that had not happened when it did quarrying may have continued on that part of the face destroying all of the cave up to Tor Chamber .Those that knew Balch Cave prior it it's destruction in the mid 60's doubted that the continuation into WL Cave ( under the crystal flow ) would ever have been found without the quarrying.
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on April 26, 2013, 06:46:25 pm
Ahh. The iffy photo of Naomi with Duncan leering was not at all as it seemed. Naomi was assisting in the re survey and had to strip off to get though a tiny hole. At least that's what we told her.
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on April 26, 2013, 06:49:57 pm
I pretty much covered the history of exploration at Fairy Cave Quarry here -

http://www.darkplaces.co.uk/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=9413 (http://www.darkplaces.co.uk/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=9413)

Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on April 26, 2013, 06:56:40 pm
I dont think I had this one in the album and to be honest I cant remember if I even took it.  A youthful Brian Prewer ( " Prew " ) and the twisted stal in Withyhill now sadly no longer with us.

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Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on April 26, 2013, 07:07:01 pm
Duncan's re survey of a couple of years back. Shatter top and Withyhill right. You can see that  Glistening Pool Series in Withyhill is heading straight to Shatter. There is almost certainly a strong draught between the two and Shatter and G.P. Series have lookalike features that include the broken early generation stal. Capture seems to have taken place between the two caves with Wthyhill becoming active after Shatter had ceased to carry the main water flow. Shatter and Balch were formed close to the Withybrook fault whose flat plane can be seen in the quarry photos.

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Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on April 26, 2013, 07:11:37 pm
My log entry. The discovery of Green Lake Grotto 1973.

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Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on April 26, 2013, 07:14:53 pm
Ahh got he name now. Ray Saxton the joint discoverer ( and savior ) of Shatter Cave seen here in The Ring Road on one of the first photo trips into the cave.

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Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on April 26, 2013, 07:26:41 pm
The completion of the Fairy Hilliers link. Weds nights then into the chip shop at Street covered in mud. Drop Out Rift occurred when we caused the floor to disappear.

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Shatter WL link. This achieved before an accurate survey and was rather unexpected.

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Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on April 26, 2013, 07:39:02 pm
St Dunstan's Well Cave at the time of the breakthrough at Domestos Bend. A true Mendip collector's piece.

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My discovery of Jonathan's Chamber in Withyhill. Son Jonathan was one year old the same month. Nearly 42 now.

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Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on April 26, 2013, 07:52:03 pm
One for the new Wells Caving Museum. Pete  Rose at the quarry in the 1970's. Spot the self build wet suit.

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C1969/70. Shatter Cave. Ray Saxton and the crystal floor in Pillar Chamber. Muddy footprint from the first trip centre.

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Exploring a new chamber in Shatter Cave 1969.

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Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on April 26, 2013, 07:59:38 pm
Exploring WL Cave 1967.

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Withyhill Cave at the time of discovery after being cleared of boulders by the quarry excavator.

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I named Withyhill Cave and Hillwithy Cave to reflect the fact that they were sections of the same original cave between Withybrook Slocker and Hilliers's Cave.
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on April 26, 2013, 08:09:04 pm
Withyhill Cave at the time of discovery behind the centre excavator.

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Withyhill, first entrance. We got the quarry to backfill the hole. Graham Price in the stripy jumper.

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Graham Price in Withyhill 1970's.

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Trevor Knief in Canopy Chamber possibly 1980's.

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Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on April 26, 2013, 08:18:12 pm
Double stal polished section. Personal collection from excavations at F.C.Q.

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Normal stal with secondary encrustation.

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Lithostrotion - Fossil Coral - Hillwithy Cave.

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Straw with secondary encrustation ( pool deposit ).

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Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on April 26, 2013, 08:19:29 pm
No comments as yet so do folks want me to run this on ?? :-\
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: Elaine on April 26, 2013, 08:35:20 pm
I haven't got anything useful to add. But I enjoyed looking through this - very interesting.
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: bograt on April 26, 2013, 08:38:00 pm
Overalls, Oldhams and Texolex, God, these guys were intrepid !! :o :o
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: Laurie on April 26, 2013, 08:39:37 pm
I love historical stuff.
Keep it going please.  ;D
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on April 26, 2013, 08:41:58 pm
Oh dear I am " historical "  ::). More another day then ---
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: Laurie on April 26, 2013, 09:07:23 pm
I'm older than you are  ::)
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: bograt on April 26, 2013, 09:34:43 pm
To us young codgers, that probably makes you prehisto----, no, 'praps not. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on April 27, 2013, 08:09:26 am
Ray Saxton in Shatter Cave about 1970.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/cavingcd3053_zpsf33c72d0.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/cavingcd3053_zpsf33c72d0.jpg.html)

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/CNV00047_zps5d7358e2.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/CNV00047_zps5d7358e2.jpg.html)

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Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on April 27, 2013, 08:17:23 am
Trevor Knief and the Canopy 1980's.

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Tor Chamber , 1980's.

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Twisted stal, Withyhill, 1970's.

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Trevor Knief 1980's.

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CSS Cottage about 1969. Now a ruin. Back then it was two separate cottages. Eric Catherine's Border Caving Club had one half. Eventually it was all CSS and a door was knocked through to join the two sections.

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Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on April 27, 2013, 08:35:46 am

The Quarry 1970's showing the high angle of dip here on East Mendip. Left is the Withybrook fault plane along which much of the bigger passages were formed.

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Sketch showing the displacement of bedding on either side of the Withybrook fault. The red strip is impervious sandstone where the dislocation has allowed water in the underground catchment to escape and so form all of the caves.

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Withyhill. Phreatic half tube in the roof and subsequent vadose down cutting below. Both Shatter and Withyhill have phreatic origins the proto systems being remarkable level in profile unlike development to the west of Mendip. Shatter's phreatic sections are much larger suggesting that this was once the primary water flow. There has been much collapse within the fault zone something rarely seen in Withyhill. Shatter and GP Series in Withyhill both exhibit the older generation of broken formations possibly associated with movement along the fault zone or minor earthquakes a number of which have been noted in the past.
The previous photo of "The Leaning Tower of Pisa" is a case in point having been broken and then recemented.

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Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on April 27, 2013, 08:39:47 am
Larger phreatic bore tube above Pisa Passage. Photo taken c. 1970.

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Extended later view of above showing The Leaning Tower of Pisa.

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Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on April 27, 2013, 10:49:22 am
Deposition and erosion in Withyhill.

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Early days. John Keat sadly no longer with us.

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Ted Popham. Still traveling --

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My brother's mate Gary. Sadly no longer with us.

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Pete Rose forcing new ground in Shatter. ( Terminal chamber above Pisa Passage ).

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Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on April 27, 2013, 10:55:12 am
First two . Digging terminal choke Withyhill.

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More in Dunstan's Well and Peter Glanvill's dad dives the sump.

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Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on April 27, 2013, 11:04:00 am
The Helectites , Shatter Cave.

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Pristine Withyhill before the flood silt.

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Pete Rose struggling, Withyhill.

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John Kidd in Withyhill.

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Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on April 28, 2013, 09:41:41 am
Prehistory. 1883 - 1965.

The Cerberus published a Fairy Cave Quarry book in 1977 so in reality this remains their copyright although I wrote this section. For old times sake I hope they will let it remain on the thread as the publication is long out of print. So this section is the preview to the 45 years ( ish ) covered in the thread.

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Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on April 28, 2013, 10:12:53 am
Back to conservation issues as I have already received witterings about being beyond the tape stuff. Well much of this was done in the 1970's and on exploration trips before tapes were laid. Sort of fumbling girls in 1960's bus shelters now coming back to haunt a few. Sick predators now whilst maybe we were vandals. Hey Ho. How times change.

Pete Rose in Z Squeeze already showing signs of wear.

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The Icing Flakes. Perhaps its just best now not to tell anyone where they are.

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Ray Saxton on possibly the first photo trip into Shatter 1969/70. No way would you repeat that today.

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So things change as conservation awareness increases. Probably the best thing for the quarry was that it's caves were closed for 20 years or so. Conservation awareness crept up in the mean time. I remember the break thorough at Albert's Eye in Manor Farm. Early 70's. Everyone went charging off down virgin passage yelling and shouting . Got to the apparent bottom then pissed off to the pub. Left me and old Rose to dig up into NHASA Gallery. I even took a couple of photos. Anyway contrast that to Reservoir's Hard Times. The first trip. Ali trying to lay orange tape. Me taking photos. Nigel pushing gingerly forth.Times have changed very much for the better even if some perceive it to be " control ".
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on April 28, 2013, 10:43:58 am
The Tapeless Universe.

Poor old John Kidd. Never the inspiring subject in that horrid white boiler suit. Withyhill 1970's.

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Yes the straw is long gone. Shatter early 1970's.

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Some years B.T. ( Before Tape ). Mud creep, Withyhill. Early 70's.

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An absent friend and I don't mean one of Pete Rose's twin boys. Now all grown up. Not the best place for a stalagmite. Withyhill main passage.

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A few years post tape. 1980's. Shatter's Pillar Chamber now the stopping point for tourist trips. Thou shalt not enter here. Conservation to the extreme ? Don't forget Willie Stanton blocked up a well decorated passage in one Mendip Cave never to be seen again. The ultimate in cave conservation.

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John Keat somewhere now off limits in Shatter c 1970.

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The first ever photo of Green Lake Grotto. Ha Ha most older Mendip cavers are to fat to get in here now. There was a gate here for a while when Cerberus ran the show. Now it's leader discretion oh and a small chest.

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More down Memory Lane another day.



Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on April 28, 2013, 10:51:59 am
Don't forget that the same person heads the access control for both Fairy Cave Quarry and Reservoir Hole. An ideal mix and match for Mendip visitors. Yet for all their beauty the quarry caves get very few visits.
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: bagpuss on April 28, 2013, 11:21:33 am
Don't forget that the same person heads the access control for both Fairy Cave Quarry and Reservoir Hole. An ideal mix and match for Mendip visitors. Yet for all their beauty the quarry caves get very few visits.

Enjoying the photos and history. The (non leader) caves in the quarry rate as one of my top trips I have done on Mendip. I'd like to see all the quarry caves at some stage - I think the fact we've not been there already is mainly down to getting round to sorting out a leader & arranging a trip. Out of interest are under 16's aloud in the quarry caves?
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on April 28, 2013, 12:13:02 pm
I am not sure re the age restriction. Normally this is defined as " experienced cavers ". Ie not novices. So if a reasonable explanation of a younger person's experience is forthcoming I suppose it's at the discretion of the management committee which currently is three well known Mendip cavers headed by Martin Grass ( Contact details in the Mendip Caves guide book ). I would not think FCQ leaders would be a problem as they are a well under used entity at the moment.
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: bagpuss on April 28, 2013, 12:28:07 pm
Thank you. We will contact re a club trip at some stage soon & I will also contact re a trip with my daughter. (who is reasonably experienced)
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: Rich West on April 28, 2013, 04:48:50 pm
Good to see the erudite scribblings of the Old Ruminator from long, long ago.
However - where are the other four pages of the "History of Discovery and Exploration" chapter ?  Anyone looking for a copy should note that was published by the Cerberus Spelaeological Society as Occasional Publication Number 1 in August 1977. Those interested in Mendip caving should look out for this 72 page gem which is very comprehensive and contains a four page Bibliography.
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on April 28, 2013, 05:10:17 pm
Yes. That is quite so Rich. I am trying to sneak bits on without anyone noticing. Here are the remaining history pages which take us to 1977.

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Copyright remains with the Cerberus Speleological Society whom I thank for this use if its all still here next week.
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on April 28, 2013, 05:15:21 pm
There were useful sections on hydrology, sedimentation , geology etc but a definitive work is long overdue. The whole catchment includes Stoke Lane Slocker and seems unique in formation to anything else on Mendip. We still await the survey of Withybrook Slocker which according to named sections must be five miles long now. ( In house Mendip joke ).
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on April 28, 2013, 05:17:27 pm
The catchment pre quarrying c. 1895. Fairy Cave top right.

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Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on April 28, 2013, 05:31:59 pm
I am not trying to keep any of this in order. So it comes as it comes.

 At The Icing Flakes. The photographer foiled on this occasion as they are under water. With the hair - Simon my brother. Nearly bald now.

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Pete Rose at the top end of Pillar Chamber. A temporary barrier here to onward exploration and an early attempt at taping.

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Pretty girl in Shatter early 70's. I forget where this one is.

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Same pretty girl. Top of Tor Chamber.

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PG and Canopy.

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We fly forward forty years on the ephemeral wings of time. Tempus has fugited.  Another pretty girl ( Hi Naomi ) in Four Ways. ( Taken during Duncan Prices's post 2000 re survey. ).

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Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on April 28, 2013, 05:38:33 pm
One of the earliest photos of The Pillar c 1969/70. No hand prints on it then. Look back to the 1980's view.

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PG in Shatter early 70's. Note the string " taping " . Sections of this string in Withyhill was found to be quite stiff with stal after 20 years of cave closure.

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Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on April 28, 2013, 05:44:47 pm
Pillar Chamber c1969 showing footprints of original explorer. ( He was a WCC member ).

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Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on April 28, 2013, 05:47:53 pm
Still within the catchment. Trevor Knief and Queen Victoria in Stoke Lane Slocker c. 1980.

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Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on April 28, 2013, 05:58:04 pm
The rediscovery of Balch Six and Seven. 1970.

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Ted Popham entering Balch Six and Seven before we dug it out and fitted the oil drum.1970.

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WL entrance left below the smashed remains of Maypole Chamber, Balch Cave. ( The boulder slope . Top of this the entrance to Balch Six and Seven. ) Bottom right the cemented entrance to Shatter Cave. Early 1970's.

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Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on April 28, 2013, 06:08:55 pm
As stated the onward continuation of Balch Cave is now WL Cave being heavily blocked by stal at Pink Pool Chamber to continue as Shatter Cave. The WL/Shatter link is still negotiable but never used now due to restricting traffic through Pink Pool. It is very tight. We had thought of making this the official route ( it is after all the original route ) should there ever be a need to shut down the Shatter entrance. Now the area has been tidied up with the concrete tubes in place that would not be necessary. The question we always asked was - would the WL / Shatter system ever have been found if Balch Cave was left intact. Brian Prewer says no. It would have taken a huge act of vandalism to blast stal in Maypole or Crystal Chamber to finf such a link. In any case at the time it was never postulated.
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on April 28, 2013, 06:17:59 pm
Ruminator scribblings. ( Thanks Rich ).

Working at the Shatter terminal choke. Early 70's. Note the reference to the rodents skull.

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Pink Pool 1972 and the massive stal blockage beyond which lay Shatter though we did not know it at the time ( pre survey ).

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Only ten metres found ! Shatter terminal choke 1972.

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The discovery of Withyhill and Hillwithy April 1972.

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Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on April 28, 2013, 06:28:21 pm
Fernhill Cave curtains after the post 2000 reopening.

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Exploring side passages in Withyhill 1972.

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Discovery of Viagara Rift 1999. Peter Glanvill professed to hear running water just inside Shatter entrance. As usual this was dismissed as Glanvill rubbish but hey ho we dug a hole and made the last major discovery in Shatter. The active streamway possibly an upstream section of the old Balch route now Conning Tower. A stream is also heard down the muddy rift before Tor Chamber and this may be further upstream in the same route.

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Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on April 28, 2013, 06:33:05 pm
Conning Tower Cave 1969. ( The former Balch Cave streamway ).

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Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on April 28, 2013, 07:46:16 pm
Within the catchment.

Hunting Lodge Slocker.

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Smashed remains of Balch and the way into Six and Seven.

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Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on April 28, 2013, 07:51:33 pm
The quarry caves.

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Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on April 28, 2013, 07:53:31 pm
Half and half. A novel view of Green Lake Grotto.

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Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on April 28, 2013, 07:55:24 pm
Much of the catchment.

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Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: paulf on April 28, 2013, 08:29:22 pm
Wow amazing photos considering most are pre-digital   :bow: :bow:

Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: And on April 28, 2013, 10:09:39 pm
Really interesting stuff! Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: graham on April 28, 2013, 10:21:47 pm
IIRC Paul Deakin has the most impressive photos of the Green Lake.

Never did find out who the young lady was, though.
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: mmilner on April 29, 2013, 02:11:20 am
No comments as yet so do folks want me to run this on ?? :-\

Great photos, very interesting too. Keep 'em coming OR!   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: cavermark on April 29, 2013, 09:03:20 am
No comments as yet so do folks want me to run this on ?? :-\

Great photos, very interesting too. Keep 'em coming OR!   :thumbsup:

Fascinating stuff, I like the sketch surveys etc.
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on April 29, 2013, 09:16:55 am
I did the Paul Deakin trip. He had this very nice lady with him. Nothing was said. We got to Elephant's Trunk Chamber and she took all of her clothes off. I was quite bemused. Photos taken, clothes back on and out we went. Never had copies though -- :blink:
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on April 29, 2013, 09:41:39 am
In August 1972 we were looking at the fossil phreatic bore tube ending at a stal bank at the far end of Withyhill's Glistening Pool Series. There was a six inch slot here through which you could see the stal bank ascending. In the mean time we were working at other sites in the quarry including Pink Pool Chamber. On the 12th Nov 1972 we passed the GP Series squeeze to enter a big well decorated chamber. On the trip was the well known Mendip caver Alan Butcher ( Butch ). There was much excitement at the dig which Butch likened to " Cave Fever ". I seem to remember Butch could not get through. Two weeks later while leading a tourist trip from Aldershot I found another chamber in Withyhill which we called " Jonathan's Chamber ". Strange thing is we never got to name the big chamber at the end of GP Series. Too much happening at the time I guess. Late in 1972 the first flooding of Wittyhill took place. The start of all the silt we know see before Helectite Corner. Quarrying had disrupted the flow into Hillwithy which resulted in periods of back up. Much has now been done to alleviate the problem.

John Keat in the modified squeeze up into GP Series big chamber.

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John Keat in the big chamber looking quite pleased.

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If you look at the Google view you will see the big chamber is close to the farm in the dry valley. I seem to remember smelling silage in the chamber once possibly a clue to a surface link. The phreatic tube goes onward into further blockages below the chamber.
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on April 29, 2013, 10:24:50 am
OR Scribble based on Duncan Price's resurvey. The new laser survey showed a slightly different relationship between Withyhill and Shatter which enabled me to firm up my theory of cave development here. Of course I may well be wrong but the clues seem to be in place. Both Withyhill and Shatter had phreatic origins as the northern catchment primarily existed under the water table. The valley of the Mells River cut down in time enabling the catchment and the caves to drain. This process is still ongoing today though the active streamways are likely to be immature. The major phreatic route (solid lines) ran close to the fault ( dashed line ). Flow initially came through Glistening Pool Series to enter Jonathan's Chamber then onward to Shatter joining it at Four Ways. Graham Price et al dug the stream cobble and stal blockage beyond Jonathan's to enter a big bouldery chamber which probably lies within the fault zone. So far efforts have failed to establish the link to Shatter but a strong draught blows through Price's breakthrough point . Myself and Price ( 2000 ) then others tried to force the route onward but it was blocked with stal. A draught test between the two caves might establish a link elsewhere in the chamber. The main phreatic route went onward to enter Pink Pool Chamber in WL before arriving near to the base of Maypole Chamber in Balch. Here it may well have veered Eastwards away from the fault to form Erratic Passage though later drainage continued south along the fault zone. At some time the phreatic bore tube in Shatter was captured by the Withyhill main route. I have marked the capture route C and this is essentially a series of narrow scalloped rifts quite unlike the rest of GP Series. From the time of capture Shatter became relict and the Withyhill- Hillwithy-Hilliers route became dominant. The valley bottom is shown as a dotted line with Withybrook Slocker and Midway Slocker near the upper ends. These are todays main stream sinks though its not known how present day topography , if indeed it does , relates to the subterranean scene. Withybrook could indeed be misfit though today its primarily responsible for flooding in Withyhill. Certainly Withybrook is still a long way north of the limestone boundary though recent work by Price et al on the cave and surface sediments may yet reveal further clues. Essentially the cave systems at Fairy Cave Quarry are still several hundred metres from the end of the limestone 9 having not yet entered the Black Rock Series and may yet extend further south. Whether post glacial head deposits kept the original streams above the limestone is not currently known.

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Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on April 29, 2013, 10:36:04 am
The Lillies. Somewhere in Shatter.

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Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on April 29, 2013, 10:54:06 am
Quarry views 1970's.  Dead centre Balch Erratic Passage veering eastward away from the fault plane.

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Withyhill blocked. ( Behind the cavers ).

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WL Cave. Dead centre.

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Shatter original entrance. Conway and Saxton were attracted to a draught here and began the dig to open the cave. It could have been missed with tragic results as the drilling rig had already driven holes into Diesel Chamber. The smell of diesel was the result of adding it to the shot hole prior to firing.

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Gravel supplies from the crusher and the new east level which completed the destruction of Bach Main Chamber.

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Near Diesel Chamber.

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I was never happy with the name Shatter Cave as it gave the impression of mass destruction. Certainly this is evident in the first chambers Canopy and Diesel but beyond Erratic Rift all is fine.

Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on April 29, 2013, 06:24:47 pm
August 1969.
We find new passage in WL.

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Probing the Fairy/Fernhill choke 1971.

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Trouble with keeping Withyhill open and Price's Purgatory 1972. Being Cerberus newsletter editor at the time I generally got to name stuff. I had a plan. Use up my contemporaries names then save the big one for me. So we had Roses Rift then Price's Purgatory. Chipchase Chasm -- Umm still waiting on that one. Graham Price had recently joined us in 1972 and was the only one skinny enough to push down the crack which bore his name.

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Roses Rift, Withyhill, Hillwithy and Culdesac Pot, Spring 1972.

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Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on April 29, 2013, 06:36:48 pm
Looking for the Withyhill / Shatter link Spring 2000. We tried the nearest point to Fourways in Shatter from the boulder chamber beyond Jonathan's. This consisted of a very tight rift which we widened. It never really looked convincing and we gave it up. Later other Mendip cavers continued the dig to end up in a small grotto. They called the grotto " Priceless Grotto ". The name could have three meanings which for the sake of good relations elsewhere I shall not explain.

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Priceless Grotto.

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Jonathan in widened rift to Priceless Grotto.

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Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on April 29, 2013, 06:49:00 pm
Price et al's breakthrough point between Jonathan's Chamber and the boulder chamber. Here the draught is strongest.

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Some forty years on. Jonathan in Jonathan's Chamber with daddy.

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Back again forty years. John Keat in the awkward approach passage into Jonathan's Chamber. The photo is taken from Pearl Chamber part of the phreatic bore tube close to the capture point in Withyhill. The tube turns down sharp left in the distance to end in stal blockage. It reappears again in Jonathan's Chamber.

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Forward again forty years. Jonathan exits the approach tube which was originally blocked by boulders.

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Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on April 29, 2013, 07:05:25 pm
The wonder that is Jonathan's Chamber. Yes, he is within the taped route.

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Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on April 29, 2013, 07:30:20 pm
To make things a bit clearer.

W Withyhill,
S  Shatter.
C Capture route. ( Between vertical blue lines )
Solid line through cave. Earliest phreatic route.
Dotted line.( 5)  Alternative route along strike into Shatter.( Surmised ).
J.  Jonathan's Chamber.
4 Four Ways.

Duncan Price's re survey.


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Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on April 29, 2013, 07:40:10 pm
Our resident geologist points out tremor damaged formations in Shatter Cave. ( First generation stal ).

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As above. Stalagmite stub left and broken top section centre. The biggest example is in Ring Road Chamber where a big boss is tipped over and broken.

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Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on April 29, 2013, 08:16:57 pm
Ahh. there it is . Early 70's view of Ring Road Chamber with tipped up boss behind Ray Saxton.

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Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: bograt on April 29, 2013, 11:30:34 pm
Mummeee, why is that man looking at that stal like that with a hammer in his hand?? :'( :'(
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on April 30, 2013, 06:32:12 pm
It was his lucky cave finding hammer.  ::)
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on May 01, 2013, 07:24:51 pm
The Ray Saxton's hammer trips were on the first and second of May 1969 three weeks after the cave's discovery and the first attempts to create a photographic record. The slides are losing their colour now but I have made no attempt to correct the colour balance here. They are as they are and few folks were taking photos at the quarry back then.

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I never did ask him why he carried the hammer around. Like I said he probably used it to discover the cave.
He and Conway seemed to disappear after the discovery of Shatter Cave. I wonder where they are now.
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on May 01, 2013, 07:37:12 pm
Time for quiet reflection in Withyhill Cave. Some folk are naturals in cave photos whilst some seem to spoil them. Jo. shown here was one of the better ones. Always had the right expression bearing in mind all the fuss the photographer might have taken in getting the shot right. My poses for Peter tend to end up as a rictus grin specially after about the sixth attempt at getting the slave guns to work. Yes a good model is hard to find --

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Mind you she was not too happy here in Fernhill. The ladder I brought was too short.

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Jo and the Baobab Tree in Withyhill. Often gets called the Banyan Tree which is horticulturally incorrect.

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Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on May 01, 2013, 07:39:59 pm
Yes the striking suit helps as well.
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on May 01, 2013, 07:48:01 pm
A nice smile from Yetta too. Male models just don't know how to smile.

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Sorry Yetta you wont make that one. ( Nor would half the more senior cavers on Mendip.) Squeeze up into Green Lake Grotto.




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Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: Cookie on May 01, 2013, 07:55:02 pm
Quote
I never did ask him why he carried the hammer around. Like I said he probably used it to discover the cave.
He and Conway seemed to disappear after the discovery of Shatter Cave. I wonder where they are now.

I don't believe I met Ray but as Membership Sec. I did speak to him a couple of times on the phone. He was a member of the Wessex right up until his untimely death in 1999. Last time we spoke he was fighting a resurgent brain tumour.

It's great to see these magnificent photos with him.
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on May 01, 2013, 08:51:55 pm
Oh dear. That is so sad. John Keat died of colon cancer. Enjoy life while you can. Thanks Cookie.
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on May 02, 2013, 04:14:48 pm
From the log 1966 - 1969.

First trip in Stoke Lane Slocker.

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Summer 1969.

Most of Shatter explored. Sketch survey based on false assumption that the cave went along strike.

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Quarry faces 1969.

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Shatter. Corrected survey sketch. 1969.

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Digging at Erratic Rift.

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Balch Main Chamber doomed.

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Sadly I never saw Balch Cave in it's entirety as the central area was quarried away about 1965. A black and white film was made of it for TV which as far as I know now resides with Cerberus.
Now a uTube copy would be very nice. Jack Hill had it originally. Pete Rose and I went to ask him for it but Mrs Hill said he was caving with Pete Rose and Nick Chipchase. Ahh lies in marriage will always catch you out. Later Pete Rose did some film though I can't recall seeing it. Pete also has a stack of early slides which never see the light of day. I would be the main subject I guess.




Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on May 02, 2013, 04:28:51 pm
Pete somewhere in Withyhill. Martin Grass asked me why we wore those wet suit tops in a dry cave. Answer havn't a clue but having spent ages gluing them all together we had to use them somewhere. Made us look like real cavers and a change from old oily boiler suits.

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The Letterbox, Shatter Cave early 70's.

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Duncan Price and Naomi on the post 2000 re survey. Seen here in the large passage beyond Plug Hole Chamber in Shatter.

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Naomi with the survey team in Four Ways.

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Nick's little secret but I did show Naomi.

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Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on May 02, 2013, 05:57:30 pm
Two by two of a kind. Pete Roses identical twins and double stal ( long gone ) G.P. Junction, Withyhill Cave.

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Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on May 02, 2013, 06:14:08 pm
Young Pete Rose and Graham Price, Withyhill. Early 70's.


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Still pristine. The Porridge Basin , Shatter Cave.

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WL Cave. Malcolm Hayes a young schoolboy we used to take caving 60 this month.

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Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on May 02, 2013, 06:18:46 pm
John Kidd and famous double stal, Withyhill.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/523_zps63f632f3.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/523_zps63f632f3.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: bograt on May 02, 2013, 06:34:05 pm
I see what you mean about "male models", do they think its more macho to grimace? :-\ :-\
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on May 02, 2013, 06:40:19 pm
Ah. I did say. John above was one of the worst. How about my brother Simon then ?

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/547_zps2243ee21.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/547_zps2243ee21.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on May 02, 2013, 06:42:32 pm
Femail stunning models required for nude cave photography. Please contact The Young Ruminator. :)
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on May 02, 2013, 06:46:56 pm
Nah. I will just stick with the teddy bear.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/0322_zpsec4ac6d0.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/0322_zpsec4ac6d0.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on May 02, 2013, 06:54:55 pm
Well a bit of a challenge there Bograt. This is the closest you ever get to a John Kidd smile.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/525_zps54abcda9.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/525_zps54abcda9.jpg.html)

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: bograt on May 02, 2013, 07:05:42 pm
Looks more like an academic appraisal! :) :)
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on May 02, 2013, 07:07:22 pm
Maybe I should stick to helectites. WL Cave.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/100_edited-1_zps49a5410d.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/100_edited-1_zps49a5410d.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on May 02, 2013, 07:20:32 pm
John Keat, Shatter Cave.

The eyes are smiling.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/406_zps057aa2d6.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/406_zps057aa2d6.jpg.html)

Trouble about today,s cave photos they are so formulaic . So many rigidly posed multi flash shots. No sense of fun or insight into character. Oh yes technically superb but " the moment " is lost.
First rule must be that the subject should look as though they want to be there. Not thoroughly pissed off with the length of time the photographer has taken to get the shot.
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: Anon on May 02, 2013, 08:29:42 pm
Quote
Trouble about today,s cave photos they are so formulaic . So many rigidly posed multi flash shots. No sense of fun or insight into character. Oh yes technically superb but " the moment " is lost. First rule must be that the subject should look as though they want to be there. Not thoroughly pissed off with the length of time the photographer has taken to get the shot.
OR; is that true of all photographs or just the ones people choose to show to the world? Maybe people see their photos as just average and decide they wouldn't stand up to the fantastic technical shots that are so frequently seen in publications etc. Anyway, just random thoughts, never been to the caves in this thread, but interesting all the same  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: bograt on May 02, 2013, 10:21:59 pm
Re:John Keat, Shatter Cave.

Expression  says "Its mine, gerroff it"

 ;D ;D ;D, (I have experience of body language)  ::) ::)
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on May 03, 2013, 07:59:31 pm
I have been thinking about the connection of WL and Balch. Brian Prewer said under stal in the lower area of Crystal Chamber and I think that probably correct. Certainly a part of the cave where there would never be any digging. This sketch overlay shows the area concerned.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/BalchCave_edited-1_zps17abdad7.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/BalchCave_edited-1_zps17abdad7.jpg.html)

Desolation and destruction where Crystal Chamber used to be.
The scree slope  is the remains of the stalagmite flow in the chamber. Above this the oil drum entrance to the final two Balch Chambers. In the alcove below the entrance to WL Cave with part of the fault plane on the left.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/308_zpsb74099ea.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/308_zpsb74099ea.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on May 03, 2013, 08:09:33 pm
Withyhill Cave, Broken Curtain Chamber. The curtain was broken by quarrying operations. The current route into the cave goes through original streamway below the chamber. ( Hence the tape ).

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/P9030008_zps92c35505.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/P9030008_zps92c35505.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on May 04, 2013, 09:41:48 am
Crystal Chamber was almost unique as the entire floor area was covered in stalagmite. This all descended into a 2 metre deep pit in the centre possibly the origin of WL Cave . Hindsight is a wonderful thing but looking at the Balch survey it would seem an unlikely point to start a dig. Balch had the appearance of random chambers rather than the more defined fossil stream routes we see in the other quarry caves. WL itself was entirely sealed by stal at either end but does exhibit that linear appearance associated with the stream routes together with a considerable more scalloping. The final point of Pink Pool Chamber clearly showing the ancient ongoing phreatic route. I have found some more stuff from my archives which will follow. Meanwhile the obligatory photograph.

Pink Pool Chamber.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/049-2_zpsb4f57003.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/049-2_zpsb4f57003.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on May 04, 2013, 09:56:49 am
The WL - Shatter Link. The " engineered" route is along the blue dashed line I have overlaid. That shows the original phreatic tube boundary. The solid blue overlay is the likely immature stream route from the old Erratic Rift dig to Viagara. ( Then presumably onward to Conning Tower Cave. ) Of course with a correctly aligned Shatter WL survey the dig would never have taken place though it restores the integrity of the original streamway route. At the time it also provided an alternative entrance to the Shatter System which was by no means secure in the mid 70's. Of course the route is never used now and indeed is exceedingly tight.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/002_edited-1_zps0698ed4a.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/002_edited-1_zps0698ed4a.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on May 04, 2013, 10:31:53 am
Geology and topography at Fairy Cave Quarry.

My 70's work overlaid on a c.1900 map. The FCQ cave systems are located on the northern flank of the Beacon Hill Pericline,. In many ways this mirrors the geology of systems within the Cheddar catchment though there are significant differences. In both cases we have an upthrust anticline with an impervious sandstone core which provides today's catchments with swallet water. Typically at Cheddar the streams sink near the limestone and shales boundaries after forming as surface streams on the sandstone. Things on eastern Mendip are not to simple. There is far less relief here so one does not see the aggressive vadose erosion experienced by west Mendip cave though the same transition from phreatic flow to vadose flow is seen as base level has reduced. East Mendip streams are in the most part misfit as some have been kept on the surface by more intense farming. Probably they also lack the maturity seen on west Mendip. The important difference and the most difficult to relate to present day conditions is the inclusion of residual head drift deposits overlaying the east Mendip limestone structures. It's a chicken and egg situation. Which came first the head or the caves ? This is vital as the head would have kept streams on the surface thus preventing them going underground at the shale boundary nearly 500m south of the known cave systems. Like Reservoir Hole the primary route at FCQ formed close to a strike slip fault which has a slight northward displacement of the limestone beds to the east of the fault. Indeed it's this displacement of the impervious " sealing " bed at St. Dunstan's Well that allowed the catchment caves to develop in the first place. As the River Mells valley downcut so the catchment drained and the progression from purely phreatic to vadose occured. The Withybrook Fault is shown here where it would be on the surface. The fault plane dips steeply to the west so the plan does not quite show it's relationship to the caves deeper down. Indeed, unlike Reservoir Hole, it is very difficult to identify the fault anywhere within the cave systems. For the most part the main sections of Shatter Cave are developed within the fault shatter zone and much of the evidence is obscured by stal and breakdown. Also like Reservoir Hole we see the immense damage done to early generation stal from movement within the fault zone though in Reservoir this is evident only an the upper part of The Frozen Deep. Some precise dating here would be useful.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/006_zps2d5b776e.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/006_zps2d5b776e.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on May 04, 2013, 10:58:02 am
Withybrook Slocker is situated near the junction of the Vallis/Black Rock Limestones. It must lie within the fault shatter zone and today is a very active swallet taking a huge amount of water in times of heavy rain. It has been purchased by a well known Mendip caver who has had the silt traps restored. In the 70's the cave existed in a bramble filled depression and the silt traps fell into disrepair. Prior to the 70's the water drained happily away to active routes below the main caves but the dislocation of the Withyhill/Hillers route and blockages below meant that parts of Withyhill became active again resulting in silt deposition between the entrance and Helectite Corner. Happily work near the Withyhill entrance has alleviated the problem. It occurred to me that a friendly fire brigade could pressure wash the passages clean though access to vehicles to the quarry has been restricted by boulders. ( To reduce the motor bike menace ). Well there is a novel idea for the conservationists and not entirely impracticable. Whether Withybrook is entirely mis fit or is in fact the original origin of Withyhill Cave is not known by the author as no contemporary survey has been made public ( hint ). Withybrook does seem to be a very complex system of interconnected passages and in time its relevance may become more clear.

The undefined head boundary is shown on the plan as a red hatched line.

We shall continue anon.
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on May 04, 2013, 01:12:34 pm
Tipped up stal boss in Reservior Hole which has a very similiar comparison in Shatter Cave's Ring Road.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/P4300253_zpsb561875c.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/P4300253_zpsb561875c.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on May 04, 2013, 01:40:35 pm
Looking again at today's active swallets Midway and Brickdales are much closer to the shale boundary though may be relatively immature. Stoke Lane Slocker contains a misfit stream now though it is one on Mendip's largest stream sinks. It seems likely that the early phreatic system included Browns hole but at some time the valley cut them into two systems. The current Stoke stream route follows the strike until it meets the fault dislocation at St. Dunstan's Well. Certainly any Fairy Cave Quarry review should include Stoke and it's associates.

The King and Queen, Stoke Lane Slocker.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/566_zps94c12a0c.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/566_zps94c12a0c.jpg.html)

Cavers on The Traverse, Stoke Lane Slocker.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/564_zps6fcf9462.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/564_zps6fcf9462.jpg.html)

The Duck, Stoke Lane Slocker. Beyond here is the tiny sump chamber. The Sump proves to be less of a problem as The Duck as you can reach through to air space in the roomy Sewer passage beyond. They return journey must not be rushed as its possible to over reach the airspace . There is a flake of rock above the nearside of the sump that can be reached from the downstream side plus there is just room enough for help to be at hand in the tiny chamber.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/stokeduck-1_zpsa0fba811.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/stokeduck-1_zpsa0fba811.jpg.html)

Passage typical of Stoke One.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/326_zpsf5c1fc2a.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/326_zpsf5c1fc2a.jpg.html)

Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on May 04, 2013, 01:47:28 pm
Large chamber, Stoke Two.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/068_zps3ee0a32d.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/068_zps3ee0a32d.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on May 04, 2013, 09:22:58 pm
The photo previously is a strike orientated view of Bone Chamber.

This one is Sump Two.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/79_zps872de5fe.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/79_zps872de5fe.jpg.html)

Traverse approach.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/562_zpsc79b0135.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/562_zpsc79b0135.jpg.html)

CB Chamber, Stoke Two.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/563_zpsa23a6cdf.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/563_zpsa23a6cdf.jpg.html)

Main Chamber, Stoke Two.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/569_zps9f32a680.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/569_zps9f32a680.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on May 12, 2013, 07:17:06 pm
more earlier stuff from stoke lane-

entrance.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/559_zpscd30af13.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/559_zpscd30af13.jpg.html)

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/560_zps203437c2.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/560_zps203437c2.jpg.html)

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/568_zps24ea9623.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/568_zps24ea9623.jpg.html)

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/567_zpsc9e8b355.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/567_zpsc9e8b355.jpg.html)

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/84_zps07f05896.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/84_zps07f05896.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on May 12, 2013, 07:19:10 pm
stal flow in section. fairy cave quarry.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/032_zps4e548d22.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/032_zps4e548d22.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on May 12, 2013, 07:22:19 pm
pineapple wl cave.

pineapple grotto is just inside the entrance to wl. it was pretty much spoiled back in the 70's.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/CNV00010-1_zps4b887abe.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/CNV00010-1_zps4b887abe.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on May 12, 2013, 07:25:49 pm
the king stoke lane

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/81_zpsbc719a33.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/81_zpsbc719a33.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on May 12, 2013, 07:34:18 pm
1970's digger's work sheet.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/011_zpsf3afb82b.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/011_zpsf3afb82b.jpg.html)

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/007_zps659990d4.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/007_zps659990d4.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on May 12, 2013, 07:38:31 pm
perhaps the most beautiful grotto under mendip.

green lake grotto.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/P9030119_zpsc7bb3785.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/P9030119_zpsc7bb3785.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: mrodoc on May 12, 2013, 07:51:48 pm
Looking again at today's active swallets Midway and Brickdales are much closer to the shale boundary though may be relatively immature. Stoke Lane Slocker contains a misfit stream now though it is one on Mendip's largest stream sinks. It seems likely that the early phreatic system included Browns hole but at some time the valley cut them into two systems. The current Stoke stream route follows the strike until it meets the fault dislocation at St. Dunstan's Well. Certainly any Fairy Cave Quarry review should include Stoke and it's associates.

The King and Queen, Stoke Lane Slocker.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/566_zps94c12a0c.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/566_zps94c12a0c.jpg.html)

Cavers on The Traverse, Stoke Lane Slocker.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/564_zps6fcf9462.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/564_zps6fcf9462.jpg.html)

The Duck, Stoke Lane Slocker. Beyond here is the tiny sump chamber. The Sump proves to be less of a problem as The Duck as you can reach through to air space in the roomy Sewer passage beyond. They return journey must not be rushed as its possible to over reach the airspace . There is a flake of rock above the nearside of the sump that can be reached from the downstream side plus there is just room enough for help to be at hand in the tiny chamber.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/stokeduck-1_zpsa0fba811.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/stokeduck-1_zpsa0fba811.jpg.html)

Passage typical of Stoke One.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/326_zpsf5c1fc2a.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/326_zpsf5c1fc2a.jpg.html)

I see Pete rehearsing his knackered gnome pose.
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on May 17, 2013, 07:30:34 pm
the bowl. dunstan's well cave.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/CNV00028_zps98f5f0be.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/CNV00028_zps98f5f0be.jpg.html)

dunstan's well cave

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/CNV00007-2_zpsc13af98a.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/CNV00007-2_zpsc13af98a.jpg.html)

plughole chamber, shatter, 1970's

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/341_zps1db2e637.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/341_zps1db2e637.jpg.html)

worrying about the future. 1969.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/009_zps24a650d5.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/009_zps24a650d5.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on May 17, 2013, 07:39:09 pm
the helectites smashed. fairy - hilliers dig assessed. 1969.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/011_zpsf8800e72.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/011_zpsf8800e72.jpg.html)

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/012_zps0f9193e7.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/012_zps0f9193e7.jpg.html)

dec 1969. the digging starts in fairy.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/013_zpsf746c915.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/013_zpsf746c915.jpg.html)

hard going -- 1970.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/014_zpse4637ea2.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/014_zpse4637ea2.jpg.html)

first breakthrough.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/016_zps4e79d51b.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/016_zps4e79d51b.jpg.html)

no way on. we cut the floor out and go under the wall. the coloured bits show the slow progress.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/017_zps6d0602e4.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/017_zps6d0602e4.jpg.html)

tor chamber about 1970.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/251_zpsd450c2f2.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/251_zpsd450c2f2.jpg.html)

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/254_zpsec700841.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/254_zpsec700841.jpg.html)

four ways early 70's

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/243_zps19fa97ae.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/243_zps19fa97ae.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on May 17, 2013, 08:16:43 pm
the 1969 sketch of the quarry shows the red area requested to be saved from quarrying by bob whitaker. that left extensions on two levels to the east and the extension southward effectively leaving shatter cave in an untouched corner section. the discovery of withyhill cave brought the southward section to a close. i dont remember too much about discussions at the time though no doubt a lot was entered in the cerberus minutes. the quarry company, with willie stanton as consultant, proposed opening the caves as show caves with viewing galleries running from shatter over to withyhill. the choke between erratic rift and tor chamber would be removed. things became difficult for various parties with different interests in the caves resulting in closure for a good many years.
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: mrodoc on May 18, 2013, 07:25:35 am
Nick, this all needs to go into the Mendip Cave Registry Archive. They will take scanned or photographed log books. I can give you the relevant email.
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on May 18, 2013, 09:43:26 am
ahh the aging tomes will crumble to dust if moved again from my air conditioned archive. paul s is due to call. will see what he says.
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: mrodoc on May 19, 2013, 08:19:45 am
This coming from a man who defaced my historical caving logs ::)
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on June 03, 2013, 07:25:29 pm
We only wrote " Twit " in them.

Post 2000 reopening of Fernhill Cave.

Shoring in the entrance rift.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/008-2_zps51f01d81.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/008-2_zps51f01d81.jpg.html)

Fernhill curtain.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/026-4_zps96ee0f97.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/026-4_zps96ee0f97.jpg.html)

Small cave found near Fernill in the 70's plus a depression in the field that may have been the origin of the clay mass and bones found later in pushing back the east face.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/015_zps9d60211e.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/015_zps9d60211e.jpg.html)

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/018_zpse64e5453.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/018_zpse64e5453.jpg.html)

Early days at St. Dunstan's Well Cave.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/019_zps73094cf4.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/019_zps73094cf4.jpg.html)

Diversion to Larkshall Slocker behind the current Ceberus hut.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/021_zps01a845db.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/021_zps01a845db.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on June 03, 2013, 07:30:44 pm
Looking at the routes below Balch main chamber, now destroyed. Atlas have a dig in the area now it would be interesting to see a comparison with the original cave.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/022_zpsee475d8d.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/022_zpsee475d8d.jpg.html)

http://atlas-diggers-log.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/new-location-for-digging-news.html (http://atlas-diggers-log.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/new-location-for-digging-news.html)
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on June 03, 2013, 07:47:34 pm
Fountain Sink.

The sink was to the east of the catchment well inside the limestone. Originally there was a pond and decorative fountain here but the bottom gave way and the water disappeared .

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/CNV00004_zps550befff.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/CNV00004_zps550befff.jpg.html)

We dug a 4m shaft in boulders without seeing solid rock and the dig lapsed.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/310_zps67fd5bd6.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/310_zps67fd5bd6.jpg.html)

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/309_zpsef057adf.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/309_zpsef057adf.jpg.html)

A similar situation existed at East End Slocker. Wishing to ascertain the stream flow depth the quarry company excavated a huge hole there without finding cave passage.

Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on June 03, 2013, 08:08:36 pm
M.Y's footprints in Shatter Cave's Pillar Chamber from the initial exploration. Tourist trips do not usually enter here now due to dust settling on the crystal floor.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/CNV00030-2_zps02924178.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/CNV00030-2_zps02924178.jpg.html)

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/245_zps73285206.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/245_zps73285206.jpg.html)

Shatter. Curtain in Erratic Rift.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/CNV000052_zps7abaa8d8.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/CNV000052_zps7abaa8d8.jpg.html)

Curtain and Pillar in Withyhill.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/CNV00050-1_zps3d16b5f7.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/CNV00050-1_zps3d16b5f7.jpg.html)

Formations in Shatter Cave.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/0302_zps6e4c4c86.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/0302_zps6e4c4c86.jpg.html)

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/0362_zps0cc04e53.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/0362_zps0cc04e53.jpg.html)

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/0492_zps1987927f.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/0492_zps1987927f.jpg.html)

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/0512_zpsd31b22a6.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/0512_zpsd31b22a6.jpg.html)

St Dunstan's Well Cave 1971.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/023_zpsfb983c31.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/023_zpsfb983c31.jpg.html)

19 03 1972.

The Fairy- Hillier's breakthrough.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/024_zps495ab748.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/024_zps495ab748.jpg.html)

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/025_zpsfcba43d3.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/025_zpsfcba43d3.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on June 04, 2013, 07:21:44 pm
Balch Cave today and the current dig.


http://www.thrupelite.arcula.co.uk/balch01.htm# (http://www.thrupelite.arcula.co.uk/balch01.htm#)


x marks the end of the current dig which originally was below Balch Great Chamber now destroyed.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/BalchCave_web_edited-2_zps05469fc3.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/BalchCave_web_edited-2_zps05469fc3.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on June 04, 2013, 08:15:04 pm
Scalloped capture link rift in Withyhill.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/095_zps0da3b095.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/095_zps0da3b095.jpg.html)

Scalloping main passage Withyhill.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/CNV00005_zpsaa88e021.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/CNV00005_zpsaa88e021.jpg.html)

Helectites on fallen boulder near Shatter entrance.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/088_zps316b699f.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/088_zps316b699f.jpg.html)

Culdesac Pot c 1972.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/026_zps663b1f98.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/026_zps663b1f98.jpg.html)

Glistening Pool Series, Withyhill. First sketch survey.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/027_zps626930ff.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/027_zps626930ff.jpg.html)

Pink Pool Dig 1973.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/028_zps6fd60a19.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/028_zps6fd60a19.jpg.html)

Midway Slocker 1973.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/029_zps22fddfca.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/029_zps22fddfca.jpg.html)

Early water tracing tests showed that Midway water went to both Ashwick and St Dunstan's rising. The Ashwick risings drain the adjacent catchment which is considered to be less mature as it exists higher up in the Mells valley.

The great mechanical dig at East End Slocker.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/031_zpsaa404b19.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/031_zpsaa404b19.jpg.html)

Withyhill terminal choke. The day my leg got squashed. Luckily the big boulder that fell on me got bridged and I only got severe bruising. Now where have we heard that before ?

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/032_zps07e29a69.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/032_zps07e29a69.jpg.html)

Looking at Withyhill roof tubes with Peter Glanvill and John Kidd 1988.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/035_zps929883b7.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/035_zps929883b7.jpg.html)

Back to 1969. Exploring new areas of Shatter Cave.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/Image2-2_zpsaa4e779f.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/Image2-2_zpsaa4e779f.jpg.html)

Naomi Sharp near Shatter terminal choke.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/102-1_zps9de30a48.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/102-1_zps9de30a48.jpg.html)

Wobbly stal. Withyhill.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/034_edited-2_zps9383a72e.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/034_edited-2_zps9383a72e.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on June 04, 2013, 08:56:15 pm
Crystals and straw , Withyhill.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/101_zps93e8bcb5.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/101_zps93e8bcb5.jpg.html)

The Quarry in Winter.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/002_zps9e16f726.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/002_zps9e16f726.jpg.html)

Withyhill.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/005_zps94c630dd.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/005_zps94c630dd.jpg.html)

Helectite Corner, Withyhill.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/019_zps3bb90b0c.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/019_zps3bb90b0c.jpg.html)

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/011_zpscba4bfea.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/011_zpscba4bfea.jpg.html)

Elsewhere in Withyhill.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/028_zpsb2fb7adc.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/028_zpsb2fb7adc.jpg.html)

Orange crystals, Withyhill.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/062_zps423a5b6c.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/062_zps423a5b6c.jpg.html)

Green Lake Grotto in wide angle.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/096_zps6d2c5abf.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/096_zps6d2c5abf.jpg.html)

And narrow view.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/098_zpsf264dd6d.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/098_zpsf264dd6d.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on June 04, 2013, 09:40:27 pm
Fernhill entrance shaft.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/038-3_zpsdb37b888.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/038-3_zpsdb37b888.jpg.html)

Sword and Scimitar, Shatter.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/018_zpsef406165.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/018_zpsef406165.jpg.html)

Fernhill rift pitch.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/093_zps5dc8ec3b.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/093_zps5dc8ec3b.jpg.html)

Climb up from Pisa to Ring Road, Shatter.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/053_edited-1_zps28d557da.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/053_edited-1_zps28d557da.jpg.html)

Re cemented stal. Shatter.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/061_zps250c0463.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/061_zps250c0463.jpg.html)

Ring Road crawl, Shatter.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/016_zps390de6cc.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/016_zps390de6cc.jpg.html)

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/012_zps1ed40e35.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/012_zps1ed40e35.jpg.html)

Always tell em to smile ---

A bit out o focus but I have forgotten where they are in Shatter.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/072_zps49562875.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/072_zps49562875.jpg.html)

Naomi, terminal choke, Shatter.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/101_zpsffece758.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/101_zpsffece758.jpg.html)

Down the Plug Hole, Shatter.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/089_zpsefef847b.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/089_zpsefef847b.jpg.html)

Near Four Ways.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/0872-Copy_zps027fdc30.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/0872-Copy_zps027fdc30.jpg.html)

The Bizarre surveying techniques of Mr D. Price --

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/025_zps2152f9ac.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/025_zps2152f9ac.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: Laurie on June 05, 2013, 12:34:15 am
Wow! Fabulous formation photos in the last two posts.
Thanks OR  ;D
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: Roger W on June 05, 2013, 09:16:58 am
Agree to that, Laurie.  Great photos!
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on June 19, 2013, 07:33:03 pm
Looking at high level grottos in Withyhill.

(http://bulk-share.slickpic.com/album/share/zNZTFQwQFMxFwj/4840712.1/1400/p/036.jpg) (http://www.slickpic.com/s/zNZTFQwQFMxFwj/Album201306191920/photo?view=4840712#4840712)

The Curtain, Shatter Cave.

(http://bulk-share.slickpic.com/album/share/mTg2TEMjjxN5mM/4840761.1/1600/p/044+%282%29.jpg) (http://www.slickpic.com/s/mTg2TEMjjxN5mM/Album201306191920/photo?view=4840761#4840761)

Crystal pool, Shatter Cave.

(http://bulk-share.slickpic.com/photo/share/NTQxxTQMwDTT3T/1600/p/4840792.jpg) (http://www.slickpic.com/s/NTQxxTQMwDTT3T/Album201306191920/photo?view=4840792#4840792)

Jonathan's Chamber.

(http://bulk-share.slickpic.com/album/share/TQ2DT2kYcGTxMZ/4840829.1/1400/p/213.jpg) (http://www.slickpic.com/s/TQ2DT2kYcGTxMZ/Album201306191920/photo?view=4840829#4840829)



Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: domestos bend on December 24, 2013, 11:57:19 am
Interesting stuff.  I did my college project on the hydrochemistry of the catchment back in the 80s whilst a fellow student was mapping the surface geology - I used to give him some "inside info" on some of the underground geology. Computers were barely around then so it was largely hand drawn graphs and letraset, jumpers for goalposts etc.
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on December 24, 2013, 12:07:47 pm
Interesting forum name Domestos Bend. Its the same as the one Pete Rose and I thought up for a particularly horrible part of Dunstan's Well Cave. Another two were " The Buttock's " and          " Shredded Squeeze". Now that I am a sensible old man we have thought up far more cultured names for our bits in Reservoir Hole. " The Frozen Deep " was one of mine but I still dont think most folk see the relevance.
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: domestos bend on December 24, 2013, 01:02:51 pm
Yep I was in the Cerberus early 80s when post pub St Dunstan trips were fashionable. Domestos bend tended to have a rapid sobering up effect! :o
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: robjones on December 24, 2013, 03:49:55 pm
I recall ad hoc post-pub trips to Dunstan's declining in popularity a trifle after Howard Davies got well and truly stuck head down, resulting in a what was a lengthy call-out considering how short the cave was.

See Descent 56, Jan/Feb 1984, p.14.
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: graham on December 24, 2013, 04:25:14 pm
I recall ad hoc post-pub trips to Dunstan's declining in popularity a trifle after Howard Davies got well and truly stuck head down, resulting in a what was a lengthy call-out considering how short the cave was.

See Descent 56, Jan/Feb 1984, p.14.

I think that was the night that J-Rat shot into the Hunters saying to Roger "There's a rescue, give me forty fags!"
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: mrodoc on December 25, 2013, 04:44:23 pm
My log states: 13.11.83 'Rescue of a chap called Howard from a squeeze at the end. Successfully extricated before I arrived.' However I did get a rather nice photo of his back with extreme pressure urticaria bordering on ulceration as a result of having the same bit jammed in the squeeze for several hours. The said squeeze is the one into the sump chamber - a right sod as I remember doing it with my father who was the first person to dive the sump.
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: robjones on December 26, 2013, 09:17:13 pm
Pity you dodn't photograph his face as well - it was so swollen that he looked like a cartoon Chinaman and even his long-standing girlfriend didn't recognise him when the rescue party returned to the Cerberus cottage. I was so worried that, despite being a keen snapper, I didn't take a photo; subsequently he expressed great disappointment that I had not been callous enough to take a photo.

'H' (as Howard was universally known) subsequently did very little caving - truly a life-changing experience.
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on January 01, 2017, 10:17:37 am
I have a mind to pick this up again. In time the mods might have to amend the title to 55 years. In any case it might be useful to tie in all posts published since the last entry. History never stops it moves on until you realise you should have made more effort in the past to make a note of things.

These two from Brian Prewer ( now aged 80 ) one of the last survivors who knew Balch cave in it's entirety. Screen grabs I am afraid as I just popped in for a quick cuppa.

The Quarry before Withyhill was discovered under the bench top right.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/PC230049_zpsoam3yocp.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/PC230049_zpsoam3yocp.jpg.html)

The original entrance to Fernhill Cave before it got buried. You can just make out a figure in the centre.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/Fernhill%20ent._zpsxuwrgqha.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/Fernhill%20ent._zpsxuwrgqha.jpg.html)

Two images of the old CSS cottage from another thread.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/PC230046_zpsroo9f7oe.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/PC230046_zpsroo9f7oe.jpg.html)

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/PC230048_zpsfd5g7jmd.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/PC230048_zpsfd5g7jmd.jpg.html)

Will keep this one current now for a while. Will add links back to the forum as well.
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: mrodoc on January 01, 2017, 05:44:09 pm
My log states that on 23rd April 1972 I visited the quarry with two others (names not recorded but probably fellow students from Barts), laddered a forty foot pitch in the quarry and I descended it. On the same day also descended Hillwithy and passed the old 'sump' at the end and pushed on down 50m of passage to a ruckle.
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on January 01, 2017, 06:32:22 pm
Looked at the Hillwithy entrance with a view to flood relief at Withyhill.

The back up in Withyhill has been caused by the inability of the water flow to access Hillwithy, the original pre quarry route. Basically the quarry floor is now in the way plus a large pile obscuring Hillwithy entrance. It would require a huge engineering project to rectify that. This recent flood image must run close to the original buried portion of passage though.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/PC200002_zpszdzjuux5.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/PC200002_zpszdzjuux5.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on January 01, 2017, 06:40:22 pm
Links to other posts on the forum.

Some Withyhill Photos. Dec. 16.

http://ukcaving.com/board/index.php?topic=21318.0 (http://ukcaving.com/board/index.php?topic=21318.0)

46 Years Between Photos. New Balch Entrance. July 16.

http://ukcaving.com/board/index.php?topic=20595.0 (http://ukcaving.com/board/index.php?topic=20595.0)

Balch Aven Chamber Series. April 16.

http://ukcaving.com/board/index.php?topic=20155.0 (http://ukcaving.com/board/index.php?topic=20155.0)

Shatter Photo Trip Jan 16.

http://ukcaving.com/board/index.php?topic=19639.0 (http://ukcaving.com/board/index.php?topic=19639.0)

Fairy Cave Quarry Art Exhibition. Oct 15.

http://ukcaving.com/board/index.php?topic=19639.0 (http://ukcaving.com/board/index.php?topic=19639.0)
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on January 01, 2017, 06:56:03 pm
Video. Fairy to Hilliers Trip. July 15.

http://ukcaving.com/board/index.php?topic=18744.0 (http://ukcaving.com/board/index.php?topic=18744.0)

Fairy Cave Quarry Photos.  June 15.

http://ukcaving.com/board/index.php?topic=18586.0 (http://ukcaving.com/board/index.php?topic=18586.0)

Shatter Cave Photos. May 15.

http://ukcaving.com/board/index.php?topic=18439.0 (http://ukcaving.com/board/index.php?topic=18439.0)

St Dunstan's Well Cave. Oct 14.

http://ukcaving.com/board/index.php?topic=17136.0 (http://ukcaving.com/board/index.php?topic=17136.0)

Wonderful Withyhill . May 14.

http://ukcaving.com/board/index.php?topic=16591.0 (http://ukcaving.com/board/index.php?topic=16591.0)

Photo Section of Forum.

Shatter in Macro. March 15.

http://ukcaving.com/board/index.php?topic=19971.0 (http://ukcaving.com/board/index.php?topic=19971.0)

A fair bit of text I am afraid but gets it all under one roof.
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on January 01, 2017, 07:06:21 pm
Will add in this one as it explains a name and was left on a more obscure post.

Barabobath's Bath.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/PC290002_zpstgi1mohr.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/PC290002_zpstgi1mohr.jpg.html)

This one from a recent trip in Withyhill. Not what I wanted as the camera got wet along with my drying cloth and the nice back lit images were steamed up. Another time.

Bob Whitaker came from Bath and acted as liaison between the quarry company and ( as it was then ) Bath and Avon River Authority. Obviously he caved as well and made frequent visits to the quarry in the 1970's. So we have the name conjured up from all of that. On a very early trip into Withyhill Bob did not realise that a dry bypass existed for this foot deep pool and got rather wet in passing it. Bob also gave his initial to WL Caves he and Jerry Lavis cleared the entrance to find it.

Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on January 01, 2017, 07:13:16 pm
On another trip in December 16 I ventured up to the terminal choke in Withyhill to look at the chamber we discovered in the 1970's. I posted that up in trip reports as I need a new Scurion !

http://ukcaving.com/board/index.php?topic=21367.0 (http://ukcaving.com/board/index.php?topic=21367.0)

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/PC210010_zpswskmqhty.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/PC210010_zpswskmqhty.jpg.html)

Well at least I wont have to do that again as the boulder chokes are not very nice.
This time around we found a fairly new can of WD40 in the final bit of the streamway. I can only think that it belongs to the owner of Withybrook Slocker
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on January 01, 2017, 07:36:52 pm
I am hoping to get some early images from Brian Prewer.
Meanwhile some of mine from ages past.

Entrance tube to Jonathan's Chamber.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/PC290076_zps1fvfbil7.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/PC290076_zps1fvfbil7.jpg.html)

Darn Photobucket's gone blinky again so just a couple via Postimage.

(https://s28.postimg.org/7owgxxmkd/P3010343.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/8ef9aan3t/)post images (https://postimage.org/)

(https://s29.postimg.org/nsp42rh13/P3010130.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/fafnyfaib/)picture hosting (https://postimage.org/)

A younger me in Shatter by Pete Rose.

(https://s30.postimg.org/k15wbu9i9/DS161109073945.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/xi2uupjtp/)upload img (https://postimage.org/)

Old Withyhill entrance by Pete Rose.

(https://s24.postimg.org/ngdc1jwx1/DS161109220936.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/ihptn0t41/)image hosting site (https://postimage.org/)

Shatter helectites by Pete Rose.

(https://s29.postimg.org/50fomltnb/DS161111154523.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/qmup3ms7n/)free jpeg images (https://postimage.org/)

Pete's images scanned and re edited by Peter Glanvill. I will return when Photobucket is mended. ( Usually when I re boot )
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on January 02, 2017, 10:44:50 am
A few more " oldies " from Pete Rose. Well its all part of the history and fairly unusual that so many photos were taken back in the 1970's. Funny really. He took photos of me and I took photos of him. First time I have seen these as Mrodoc has kindly digitised them. Sneaky thing about old originals is that many were taken pre taping and cannot be done now without extreme censure. ( He said knowingly ).

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/DS161108220834_zpswtroizjs.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/DS161108220834_zpswtroizjs.jpg.html)

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/DS161108215503_zpswum6rxhv.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/DS161108215503_zpswum6rxhv.jpg.html)

I am pretty sure these two are East End Sink. The quarry company at Bector Wood wanted to extend their workings
 and did not want to intercept the water from this sink. It appears to be mis fit as the stream runs across the limestone to sink under a hedge. Like Fountain sink we seem to have a buried depression full of mud and boulders. The diggers reached some 20 ft down with the water sinking against limestone bedding. One side of the hole remained as clay and boulder fill. The job was done in Autumn 1974 with Willie Stanton as consultant geologist.
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on January 02, 2017, 11:06:26 am
This from my log on 16 th October 1974.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/P1020007_zpsffv5csec.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/P1020007_zpsffv5csec.jpg.html)

One of THOSE days!  Visited the sink prior to digging the boulder choke at the end of Withyhill with Graham Price. The choke collapsed on me badly bruising my leg.Had to be assisted out in much discomfort by the afore mentioned.

Me at the entrance to Withyhill c 1973. We had asked the quarry company to clear all of the boulders out. Afterwards we asked them to put them all back again so we could install a small gate. ( The old gate is still inside. ) Notice the blast fracture radiating outwards from the small fault . No doubt a control feature for this section of cave.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/DS161109213226_zpsa3glp1rw.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/DS161109213226_zpsa3glp1rw.jpg.html)

To be honest pre all of this health a safety issues the quarry company were exceedingly caver friendly. You wont get that now. Yesterday I was talking to a quarry manager from a limestone quarry near Bristol airport. Do you ever find caves I asked? We have had a few he told me. Usually deep shafts which we fill in immediately as they pose a risk to our plant and workers. Ooo. Can you let me know when you find another one I asked. Not bloody likely said he.
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: Pegasus on January 02, 2017, 06:29:53 pm

A younger me in Shatter by Pete Rose.

(https://s30.postimg.org/k15wbu9i9/DS161109073945.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/xi2uupjtp/)



The Young Ruminator  ;D

Loving the thread - especially since I've actually now visited the quarry and been down Fairy Cave (thanks, Kermit  :thumbsup:)
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on January 02, 2017, 07:49:28 pm
The Withybrook Fault Plane 1970's and East level. Near centre Balch Erratic Passage oddly crossing the fault at right angles. In fact I cannot recall anywhere in Shatter or Withyhill where the fault is exposed. All development appears to be in the smaller fracture zone on either side of the fault. I am gradually forming a theory of development for all of the quarry caves. That would include me saying that Shatter and Withyhill were formed by the same stream.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/DS161109215938_zpsurlrx7pw.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/DS161109215938_zpsurlrx7pw.jpg.html)

I must ask Pete Rose about this one. Its the down dip side of the quarry probably the then corner of the face opposite Withyhill. It could be " Price's Purgatory " into which we thrust an unsuspecting Graham Price in the early 70's. Being CSS newsletter editor for a while I got to name a lot of cave passages and bits in the 70's. I had a cunning plan to use all of the digger's names for the rubbish bits and save my own for something special. Rose's Rift and Price's Purgatory were two such and soon quarried away. Me ? Not yet but there is still time !

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/DS161109224017_zpsxkqzzljn.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/DS161109224017_zpsxkqzzljn.jpg.html)
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Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on January 02, 2017, 08:02:54 pm
Brian Prewer in a flooded Withyhill 1970's.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/DS161109222935_zps0gtdd9yd.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/DS161109222935_zps0gtdd9yd.jpg.html)

Withyhill main passage 1970's. Despite all the care they both got broken and are now half that size.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/DS161110101437_zpsqcgwx62h.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/DS161110101437_zpsqcgwx62h.jpg.html)

Me and the famous twisted stal in Withyhill early 1970's. We took a load of photos of this which is just as well as he is no more. His mortal remains were returned and laid to rest here at the end of last year.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/DS161110114716_zpsbkcgemmh.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/DS161110114716_zpsbkcgemmh.jpg.html)

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/PC200104%20-%20Copy_zpswadhkezv.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/PC200104%20-%20Copy_zpswadhkezv.jpg.html)

The one I took with my brother.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/Withyhill%2018_zpsvnslpdlw.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/Withyhill%2018_zpsvnslpdlw.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on January 02, 2017, 08:38:29 pm
Perhaps a bit of a treat then. A few of my favourites from recent years.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/P1120011%20-%20Copy_zpstnp1f1nz.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/P1120011%20-%20Copy_zpstnp1f1nz.jpg.html)

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/P1120020_edited-1_zpsequmok2w.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/P1120020_edited-1_zpsequmok2w.jpg.html)

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/P1120040_zps8wwsmelq.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/P1120040_zps8wwsmelq.jpg.html)

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/P1120058_zpsdgjs8z2k.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/P1120058_zpsdgjs8z2k.jpg.html)

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/P1120108_edited-1_zpswzwglygx.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/P1120108_edited-1_zpswzwglygx.jpg.html)

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/P1120133_zpsrue9kfgv.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/P1120133_zpsrue9kfgv.jpg.html)

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/P1120185%20-%20Copy_zpsbnfsvern.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/P1120185%20-%20Copy_zpsbnfsvern.jpg.html)

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/P1120198_zpshhpkkjdi.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/P1120198_zpshhpkkjdi.jpg.html)

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/P2090156_edited-1_zpslathj0mu.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/P2090156_edited-1_zpslathj0mu.jpg.html)

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/P2090242_zpsvddgiodr.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/P2090242_zpsvddgiodr.jpg.html)

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/P1120178_zpsszzedg3f.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/P1120178_zpsszzedg3f.jpg.html)

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/The%20Boabab%20Tree%20Withyhill_zpswyaumjvo.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/The%20Boabab%20Tree%20Withyhill_zpswyaumjvo.jpg.html)

That lot should clog a few phones up! ;D
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on January 04, 2017, 10:15:06 am
A few more whilst I can find my albums in Photobucket.

A more subtly lit Withyhill for the person that thinks some of my images are " garish " whilst I think his are too dark. There is no right way really its down to taste and the time you have editing. He uses RAW whilst I spend less time on edits and set up.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/The%20Column.%20Withyhill._zpszwsh9ps8.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/The%20Column.%20Withyhill._zpszwsh9ps8.jpg.html)

From Pete Rose.

I think this is Oliver Lloyd. Mrodoc will know.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/DS161110073354_zpsbspij2kt.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/DS161110073354_zpsbspij2kt.jpg.html)

Me again c 1972.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/DS161110151946_zpstz7da54w.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/DS161110151946_zpstz7da54w.jpg.html)

A repeat of one of my favourites. My son Jonathan in Jonathan's Chamber which I found the same month that his first birthday occurred. The foot high tube into the chamber is proving to be a bit of a struggle now.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/jonathans%20chamber%20witrhyhill_zps0lgr601a.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/jonathans%20chamber%20witrhyhill_zps0lgr601a.jpg.html)

Kit to wash -- Bye
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on January 06, 2017, 06:18:23 pm
The trouble with this sort of thread is that folk think that its exclusive so the poor old OP sits at home wondering if people like it or not. Still with over 19,000 views and 567 in the last couple of weeks somebody must care. Now if I were to argue some obscure point of caving I would get all and sundry here. Well I now have a few more historic photos from Brian Prewer but here are some of mine, unpublished , from Withyhill trips in the last few years.

Helectite Corner.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/P1050118_zpsztr2o55n.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/P1050118_zpsztr2o55n.jpg.html)

Through the window.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/P1050061_zps5yqsfbq5.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/P1050061_zps5yqsfbq5.jpg.html)

In the roof.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/P1050124_zpsxamf5aug.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/P1050124_zpsxamf5aug.jpg.html)

Lets Join Up.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/P1050080_zps0c86ckug.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/P1050080_zps0c86ckug.jpg.html)

The Crystal Edge.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/P1050166_zpsaq9kmegb.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/P1050166_zpsaq9kmegb.jpg.html)

Wiggly Worm.

I have not done him justice as with macro the depth of field suffers. Good thing is in the whole wide world only I know where he lives.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/P1050070_zpsdijltpqw.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/P1050070_zpsdijltpqw.jpg.html)

Mr Streaky.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/P1050169_zpsmaaaqbfh.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/P1050169_zpsmaaaqbfh.jpg.html)

Little Pool.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/P1050135_zpskwljjzcn.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/P1050135_zpskwljjzcn.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: Laurie on January 06, 2017, 06:50:17 pm
I'm still watching.  :)
You haven't lost your number one fan, it's just that I've not been too well lately.
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on January 06, 2017, 07:20:56 pm
Get well soon Laurie  :hug:

Something in common with all those images in the last post.

They have no people in. I prefer it that way for smaller formations stuff. Not a fan of a big hairy nose thrust up against helectites. Anyway if its a question of scale all cavers know how thick a straw is. No quite often I find folk in an image a distraction. Now one from the Brian Prewer/Mike Baker archive.

Maypole Pitch, Balch Cave. Early 1960's.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/BC012_zpspo8rbn9a.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/BC012_zpspo8rbn9a.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: tony from suffolk on January 06, 2017, 08:59:45 pm
Another member of the OR fan club checking in. Keep going old bean, your postings are a pleasure.
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: Roger W on January 06, 2017, 10:11:22 pm
Keep 'em coming, OR!    :thumbsup:

And, Laurie, sorry to hear you've not been so good.  Hope you' re fit again soon.
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on January 07, 2017, 09:58:29 am
I am truly honoured to have such loyal watchers I shall continue my work with much greater effort knowing that its so well appreciated.

Spent half a day at FCQ and thereabouts yesterday taking surface shots and mulling over my all embracing theory of everything at the quarry. I shall add some of that when the whole thing crystallizes into a pure nugget of clarity in my bends enfeebled brain.

More early 60's Balch Cave images from the Prewer/Baker archive.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/Balch%20Erratic%20Passage%20-%20Copy_edited-1_zps5ixhvyax.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/Balch%20Erratic%20Passage%20-%20Copy_edited-1_zps5ixhvyax.jpg.html)


(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/Balch_001%20-%20Copy_zpstgdf38yf.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/Balch_001%20-%20Copy_zpstgdf38yf.jpg.html)

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/Balch_002_zpsiklra0oi.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/Balch_002_zpsiklra0oi.jpg.html)

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/BC021_zpslphf9cx3.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/BC021_zpslphf9cx3.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on January 08, 2017, 12:43:31 pm
More from the Prewer/Baker archive.

Cambridge Grotto, Hillier's Cave. Early 1950,s

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/Cambridge%20Grotto%202_zpskczlz1z0.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/Cambridge%20Grotto%202_zpskczlz1z0.jpg.html)

The original Balch Cave entrance. Early 1960's.

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Fernhill reopened.

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(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/Fernhill%20reopened%208_zpsaz6cnoio.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/Fernhill%20reopened%208_zpsaz6cnoio.jpg.html)

The beginning of " The Concrete Cannon " c 2008.
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on January 08, 2017, 06:45:59 pm
So maybe its worth trying to untangle the history of cave development at Fairy Cave Quarry. For that, being an untrained geologist , I shall have to make assumptions. That plus the fact little in the way of research has been undertaken here.
The quarry is situated to one side of an ancient catchment feeding streams that sink underground and reappear at St Dunstan's Well. Shatter Cave is aligned ( though not necessarily within ) the Withybrook Fault which has thrown the bedding out of  alignment forming a break in the impervious beds along the escarpment allowing underground water to escape. These , in effect, have formed a dam to contain underground water within the catchment. In time base level has dropped caused either by the down cutting of the Mells valley or in response to sea level changes. ( depending on which timescale you adopt ). Originally all water in both Withyhill and Shatter Cave was slow moving phreatic flow with little in the way of hydraulic gradient. Water comes off the Beacon Hill pericline ( rather like an upturned boat with steeply folded limestone now sharply worn down to expose the impervious sandstone core ). We see this on Western Mendip but here things differ. Streams run off the pericline to sink near the limestone shales boundary ( GB Cave et al ). Sink to rising gradient is much greater too ). At Fairy Cave Quarry streams continue to flow across the shales and Black Rock Limestone to sink near a denuded valley running from beyond Withybrook Slocker to the escarpment. This is due to the fact that periglacial head ( a gravelly solufluction product ) overlies parts of the BRL to stop streams sinking. Its probable you see some of this as sediment deposits in the caves. Possibly also that there is a 5m plus depth of head within the Withybrook Slocker doline.

The Withybrook valley contained a surface stream in glacial conditions as the ground was frozen. In warmer interglacials a large amount of water from melt sank into the limestone. The head deposit may date back to a major glacial period 400,000 years ago. Shatter might be close to 400,000 years old ( fitting somewhere between the genesis of GB Cave and Reservoir Hole.) Initially water sank lower down the valley as head was stripped back. This formed the Shatter Cave conduit. In time water sank at points higher up the valley forming the Withyhill route as the head retreated. At some time water was captured from the Shatter route to enter Withyhill Cave via the scalloped rifts in Glistening Pool Series. Clearly there have been phases with sediment accumulation and subsequent erosion still ongoing today. Stream sink back towards the pericline continues with Midway Slocker sinking within the head itself though this route will probably be immature. ( Similiarly this is occurring West of the FCQ catchment with Swallets feeding a younger resurgance at Ashwick.) There could well be an ongoing capture from one catchment to the next.

Accepting all of this very tentative appraisal we ask where will we find more cave ? Probably not at the end of either Withyhill or Shatter Cave the latter being almost underneath the denuded valley bottom near the farm. ( There has been a lot of recent infill along here by the farmer ). Certainly we will find more cave between Shatter Cave and Withyhill Cave for this appraisal suggests that the Jonathan's Chamber area is indeed part of the old Shatter Conduit. Jonathan's Chamber extension will link with Shatter Cave either along strike to the most Southerly part of Shatter or follow the fault to Four Ways. Both allow for a distance of new cave around 50m in length though with  strike/dip alternative development up to 100m. There is also an outside possibility of a relict inlet running from the valley.
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on January 08, 2017, 06:55:59 pm
Sketch overview of Shatter and Withyhill Caves showing the fault and displaced limestone beds. The undefined current head boundary is shown as a hatched line to the south with Midway Slocker sinking through the head itself. The solid lines show the thalweg ( bottom of ) the denuded dry valley that contains Withybrook Slocker. The points at X are regressing possible stream sink areas.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/P1080005_zpshactg8xz.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/P1080005_zpshactg8xz.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on January 08, 2017, 07:21:49 pm
Capture.

The Withyhill/Shatter relationship.

Most of Withyhill's Glistening Pool Series is ,in fact, the long abandoned Shatter Conduit. This eventually drained into the Withyhill route. ( Only in this part of Withyhill do you see the broken and recemented formations you see in Shatter Cave.)

The capture route is marked C and essentially comprises well scalloped narrow rifts with an abundance of stream sediments. The Shatter conduit continued through a route long blocked by stalagmite from Pearl Chamber to Jonathan's Chamber. A tube bypass takes you through to the latter. A boulder choke close to the fault follows to enter a dig comprised partly of stream sediment covered by stal through which a hole was cut to enter a large collapse chamber mostly devoid of formations except at the highest levels. Here a mostly outward draught emerges presumably originating somewhere in Shatter. Early smoke bomb tests suggested that the draught originated near the far end of the boulder chamber and to that end Chipchase and Price dug a narrow rift at the furthest point. This was continued by others at a much later date to enter a small sealed up grotto they named " Priceless Grotto ". ( For any one of three reasons you might care to believe ). The solid arrows denote the probable continuation to Shatter Cave whilst the circles denote existing or abandoned stream sinks. A reappraisal of all of this may be done in the future.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/P1080006%20-%20Copy_zpsg7mef1ae.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/P1080006%20-%20Copy_zpsg7mef1ae.jpg.html)

Testing by smoke in the final chokes of Shatter proved inconclusive with the possibility that the direction of the draught reversed during the test in the crawls below The Plughole.

Long profile of the Withyhill streamway with Glistening Pool Series beyond. The gradient from one to the other can be seen quite clearly. It appears that at sometime base level in Withyhill dropped fairly rapidly forming the aggressively scalloped solid floor passages we see in much of the cave. Above this can be seen the original sinuous phreatic coduit though at much smaller proportions than we see at Pisa an Shatter Cave.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/P1080001_zpsww3jm76b.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/P1080001_zpsww3jm76b.jpg.html)


Survey of same area.

C denotes capture and the other arrow onward development of the conduit.

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No doubt I shall return to this sometime soon.
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on January 09, 2017, 06:35:15 pm
I am still not sure that this is the right place for this sort of meandering. Sketches, maps and the like. Its really here for my own convenience I suppose as I have no scientific background to warrant a " paper ". Weather the reader finds any of this of interest its impossible for me to know. Forums are for discussion and this is that. Personally I would like to see more caving " relevant " material. Makes a change from the usual argy bargy.

The disruption of the impervious quartzitic bed at St Dunstan's Well. ( X )

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Fairy Cave. Known since early times and at a higher level then the other caves. Joins Hillier,s via that awful dig we laboured so long at many years ago.( Drop Out Rift ). Also connects through boulders to Fernhill Cave.( Impassable ).

A higher part of Hillier's ? An inlet in its own right originating in the valley or even continuing on the other side ?

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Entrance to Fairy Cave. Mid right beyond the old tar plant. ( All inside the quarry boundary fence ).

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(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/IMG_3172_zpswsp3ould.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/IMG_3172_zpswsp3ould.jpg.html)

Entrance to Hillier's Cave.

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Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on January 09, 2017, 07:14:47 pm
Withyhill Cave forms a lazy route alternating between localised fractures across the 60 degree bedding ( Higher rift passages ) and the strike ( usually crawls or 60 degree shuffles ). There is plenty of evidence of stream deposit and subsequent removal. ( Elephant's Trunk Chamber ). Dispersal and rearrangement of the sediments continue to this day and the lower cave has been affected by recent silt deposition. Nowadays flooding of the system appears to be fairly regular due mainly to the disruption of the route to Hillwithy and clearer access through the modifications at Withybrook. Certainly leaves and larger items have come in via Withybrook. A fairly new can of WD 40 being the latest. Whether this flooding has occurred in the decades prior to quarrying is unknown. I do know that in it's original found state there was no silt in the lower cave all. Most of the quarry is within The Clifton Down Beds the transition to Burrington Ooolite taking place near Broken Curtain Chamber with the furthest reaches of the cave being in the crinoid rich Vallis Limestone. Withybrook Slocker itself sits very close to the junction of The Vallis Limestone and The Black Rock Limestone. The Clifton Down Limestone contains excellent fossil Lithostrotion coral which is best seen in Balch Aven Chamber. ( Entrance unlocked but a 10m rope helpful ).

Steeply bedded Clifton Down Limestone adjacent to Withyhill.

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Calcite filled fracture at and above Hillwithy entrance.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/IMG_3114_zpsdn9uw3z2.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/IMG_3114_zpsdn9uw3z2.jpg.html)

Another time. A look at Shatter geology and the Withybrook Fault.
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: Sam Richards on January 09, 2017, 08:51:43 pm
Thank you, this is all interesting to peruse through. It's great that you're sharing your firsthand experience from the early days to present.
Particularly personally as I haven't been down any of the Fairy Quarry caves it's nice to know what's down there!
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: rhychydwr1 on January 09, 2017, 09:12:07 pm
"His mortal remains were returned and laid to rest here at the end of last year."  I thought for a moment it was Nick we were talking about but a later photo showed it to be a stalactite.

Yes, it is OCL.
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on January 10, 2017, 08:41:41 pm
Hooray . Accolade of sorts.    :thumbsup:   I shall return. Not today as I am knackered through digging all day.

Oh go on then. One of mine and a couple from Pete Rose.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/P1050104_zps0tviirqo.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/P1050104_zps0tviirqo.jpg.html)

Before some T*at put mud on it !

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With the " lost " curtain.

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Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on January 11, 2017, 11:28:25 am
Shatter Cave and The Withybrook Fault.

Accepting that Balch Cave, WL Cave and Shatter Cave are all the same system its interesting to see what relationship they all have with the fault. This survey of Balch Cave shows that the cave has been guided by the fault in some way but is not that closely associated with it. I have shown the fault roughly at Erratic Passage level and the only fracture now visible in the cliff face as the broken line. X shows where WL Cave joined the system but was blocked under stal flow in Crystal Chamber. ( Never to be found with Balch Cave
intact ). The survey suggests that the parts of Balch cave West of the fault were aligned along fractures running NNW. I have always thought that there was a zone of fractures associated with the fault but in fact can see little on evidence of that. There are no more fractures here than anywhere else in the quarry. Closer to Fernhill Cave the strata becomes more disturbed with lots of mud. In this region it seems the Balch chambers ended and the cave continued at deeper levels as Christmas Hole and Ducks Pot. I certainly dont remember any big chambers appearing here in the 1960@s. I remember the destruction of Christmas Hole close to the original Balch entrance and the draught that came out from the remains of the bisected shaft.


(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/Balch%20Cave_web%20-%20Copy_zpsk9boqrq0.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/Balch%20Cave_web%20-%20Copy_zpsk9boqrq0.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on January 11, 2017, 06:40:30 pm
This is the fracture in which Balch Coral Grotto is formed. ( The broken line on the previous survey ).

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/IMG_3136_zpszdsgd4qh.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/IMG_3136_zpszdsgd4qh.jpg.html)

So looking towards where Crystal Chamber used to be we have -

1 Withybrook Fault
2 Coral Grotto Fracture and remains of two chambers. ( Too tight for me ).
3 Balch Aven Chamber series entrance.
4 Conning Tower Cave.  The Balch stream way carrying water from below Shatter Cave ( Viagara Rift ) and originating at Withybrook Slocker .
5 WL Cave formerly sealed by stal below Crystal Chamber.
6 Remains of the stal slope in Crystal Chamber.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/IMG_3124_zpsc5bdne65.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/IMG_3124_zpsc5bdne65.jpg.html)

The exhumed Withybrook fault looking North.

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Entrance to Erratic Passage, Withybrook Fault and dig debris from the Carpel Tunnel dig.

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Carpel Tunnel Dig and some Balch historical detail here -

http://www.thrupelite.arcula.co.uk/balch01.htm (http://www.thrupelite.arcula.co.uk/balch01.htm)
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on January 11, 2017, 07:00:28 pm
Exhumed Withybrook Fault looking South with Aven Chamber Series and Coral Grotto entrances by the X.

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Broken and muddy strata where the quarry crossed the Withybrook Fault. Balch Cave original entrance would have been far left. View towards quarry entrance. ( West ).

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The East section of the quarry showing the mud mass.

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T marked on a boulder where Balch Great Chamber used to be. I assume this where the end of the Carpel Tunnel Dig is directly below

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Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on January 11, 2017, 08:01:44 pm
Shatter Cave showing approximate relationship with the Withybrook Fault.

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Like Withyhill Shatter Cave traverses the Clifton Down, Burrington Oolite and Vallis limestone beds. The cave is aligned with the fault but as with Balch Cave appears to be formed either side of it. My untrained eye has been unable to see any trace of the fault within the cave. Tor Chamber must lie very close and there has been major development along strike as with Withyhill. ( Erratic Rift , Diesel and Canopy Chamber. ) The original entrance to Shatter Cave is a quarry breach in the system at the point where the cave has a connection with the immature active stream route below. ( Viagara Rift ). Water flow is also heard at the bottom of a muddy hole at the end of Erratic Rift and it is assumed that this all forms a stream passage into Conning Tower Cave ( the dotted line ). Withybrook Slocker has tested positive to Conning Tower Cave though for some reason there is overflow into Withyhill Cave in flood conditions. I have not had a report of conditions in Conning Tower Cave during Withyhill flood. Being close to the Withyhill entrance level one can assume that back up occurs some way further upstream.
The original phreatic tube and its transition to vadose trench is best observed at Pisa Passage.( the phreatic tube is at least four times bigger than the downstream Withyhill tube though similiar in size to that at the end of GP Series, Withyhill ). Here The Leaning Tower of Pisa is a classic example of the many formations in the cave that have been broken and recemented. Whether this damage is seismic or cryogenic I cannot say. In any case cryogenic fracturing in caves is still being investigated and not all field results yet published ( Reservoir Hole ).
http://scholarcommons.usf.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1093&context=ijs (http://scholarcommons.usf.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1093&context=ijs)
The same authors have made visits to both Shatter and Withyhill as well as Reservoir Hole.
Shatter cave ends in a muddy area and chokes not far short of the valley bottom. Considerable digging was done here in the early days by myself and others and the discovery of a complete rodents skull at the very end suggested a surface link in times past. A strong draught issues through the crawl below Plughole Chamber but recent attempts to trace its origin in the final chokes proved inconclusive. Indeed to the consternation of the testers it seemed to reverse at times. ( Chipchase/Cox ). Further digging near the chokes would not be acceptable now as the final area is very muddy and chances of any great finds slim. Fourways offers a route to Withyhill more in line with the fault. The far end in here is off limits to trips but was investigated during the resurvey by Chipchase, Duncan Price and Naomi Sharp. The latter gamely stripping off to investigate the most minuscule areas. Nothing suggesting a further continuation was found. The draughty areas are beyond Plughole Chamber in Shatter Cave and Jonathan's Chamber in Withyhill suggesting a connection along strike. ( a distance of about 50m ). Although that sounds little to work toward there is an outside possibility of encountering a fossil inlet to the South.
The big terminal chamber at the end of Withyhill also ends near the valley bottom.( beyond Column Chamber ). I have a dim recollection of smelling farm muck spreading in here . A search of my log has failed to find a reference so now I cannot confirm it.
On the survey above 1 by the dotted line indicates the Shatter WL link.
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on January 12, 2017, 11:37:40 am
In the early 1970's we were digging in Manor Farm, Timber Hole , Withyhill and St Dunstan's Well Cave. Most of this involved " chemical " assistance but this was long before the days of battery drills. We could use up to eight pounds of legal " chemical " but the technique was to pile it in and cover it with tamping mud. Altogether a messy and uncertain business. WL cave was obviously an abandoned stream passage, an upstream part of Balch Cave, but buried in stal below Crystal Chamber. Before Shatter Cave was surveyed it seemed an ideal place to start a dig. The lovely Pink Pool Chamber terminated the WL stream passage in solid stal flows. A tiny section of scalloped passage continued beyond the chamber until it became a total blockage. Work started here in 1972 as it was obvious to us that this was really going to go somewhere. Bashing and banging continued until 1974 when a route into Shatter Cave was established. The initial breakthrough took everyone by surprise including the party that were passing by in Shatter at the time. ( And Willie Stanton if you look at his log ). So the original stream route was re established and had the quarry face stopped far shorter Shatter Cave ( though by another name ) would have been discovered. I suppose the existing entrance to Shatter Cave could have been back filled and the WL route used  thus making an original and longer trip. That would have meant Pink Pool Chamber being traversed and spoiled. ( It has taken years to fully recover from our digging trips ). Nowadays Pink Pool Chamber can be viewed but not crossed to the link passage. In any case the link is so tight at the Shatter end most people could not get through. Modern techniques would soon have alleviated that but to no point.

My sketch of the existing WL Shatter link.

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From my log  1974.

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(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/P1110003_zpsonxtsjeq.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/P1110003_zpsonxtsjeq.jpg.html)

The latter before the impassable slot to connect the caves was enlarged.
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on January 12, 2017, 11:55:24 am
Unspoiled stal flows in Pink Pool Chamber at the start of the link passage. c 1972.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/DS161109091649_zpsz49qz3yj.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/DS161109091649_zpsz49qz3yj.jpg.html)

Formations main WL passage c 1972.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/DS161109090245_zpspjzkkqyr.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/DS161109090245_zpspjzkkqyr.jpg.html)

Pink Pool Chamber.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/WL%20Cave%202_zpsaic5pkeo.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/WL%20Cave%202_zpsaic5pkeo.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on January 12, 2017, 12:40:52 pm
During the early 1970's I made a point of looking at every nook and cranny in both Shatter, WL and Withyhill. Green Lake Grotto and Jonathan's Chamber were found that way. I suppose I could be immodest and say that I am the only person that has been to every single part of the three caves. Conservation would preclude some of that rambling today.

Anyway for the moment a few photos ( perhaps repeated ) to illustrate points in recent posts.

The phreatic tube at Pisa showing the transition to vadose trench and the " first generation " stal "The Leaning Tower of Pisa ".

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/Shatter%20Cave%20Pisa%20Passage_zpsxmhei0jk.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/Shatter%20Cave%20Pisa%20Passage_zpsxmhei0jk.jpg.html)

Cryogenic or seismic stal fracturing below Plughole Chamber, Shatter.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/First%20Generation%20Stal.%20Shatter%20Cave_zps7shx0atj.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/First%20Generation%20Stal.%20Shatter%20Cave_zps7shx0atj.jpg.html)

Abandoned high level meander at The Ring Road, Shatter Cave. Here a large stal boss has been tipped up and broken with new stal forming alongside. The meander leads to on ging passage above the curtain chamber in Pisa but is now off route.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/P7260010_zpskc7kpo6h.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/P7260010_zpskc7kpo6h.jpg.html)

The wonderful Fernhill curtains.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/080_zpslgmcxpbg.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/080_zpslgmcxpbg.jpg.html)

The era of the selfie stick. Shatter.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/P5260144_edited-1_zps2o7wjvbq.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/P5260144_edited-1_zps2o7wjvbq.jpg.html)

The era of good compact macro. Lithostrotion, Hillwithy.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/Lithostrotian.%20Macro._zpsi89beq4c.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/Lithostrotian.%20Macro._zpsi89beq4c.jpg.html)

Waterproof compacts. Serendipity. The bubble within a bubble, Withyhill.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/Water%20Drop%20With%20Bubble.%20Underwater%20macro.%20Withyhill._zpsm6gjrsc1.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/Water%20Drop%20With%20Bubble.%20Underwater%20macro.%20Withyhill._zpsm6gjrsc1.jpg.html)

Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on January 12, 2017, 07:59:23 pm
I am getting on with this as I want to get it up to date and reach 20,000 views. Anyway Photobucket is still on best behavior.

The late John Keat in terminal chamber, Withyhill.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/DS161110151239_zpse1pjbums.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/DS161110151239_zpse1pjbums.jpg.html)

Scallops and vadose corner. Early 1970's as originally discovered with Mike Goswell.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/DS161109225954_zpsgdl7gk3w.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/DS161109225954_zpsgdl7gk3w.jpg.html)

Withyhill 1970's with one of Pete Rose's twin boys.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/DS141020190720_zpstrrlcdey.png) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/DS141020190720_zpstrrlcdey.png.html)

Somewhere in Shatter Cave c1980.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/DS161111093144_zpsek8vpeju.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/DS161111093144_zpsek8vpeju.jpg.html)

He is no more. So sad. Withyhill.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/DS161110092612_zps06gxxmx7.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/DS161110092612_zps06gxxmx7.jpg.html)

Shatter Cave.

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Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on January 13, 2017, 10:04:13 am
Thanks for the 20,000 views :bow: ( And not a moan about the photo heavy thread. )

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Withybrook Slocker after the flood of Dec 2016.

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The land is owned by a local caver and his wife. When I knew it first the site was derelict and full of brambles. The settlement tank is designed to catch silt from the stream. A footpath goes through the site and down the valley beyond. The cave has been extensively dug ( and named ) in recent years. A rather bewildering description can be found in Mendip Underground ( 2013 ). So far no survey has been published.

The doline at Withybrook.

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The valley below Withybrook. One gets the impression that this has been greatly denuded and in ancient times would have been much deeper in relation to the surrounding plateau. Certainly during periglacial events it would have carried a surface stream. Where the valley debouches into the Mells valley at the escarpment it is quite pronounced. Rather a miracle, too, that it has not truncated the Stoke Slocker streamway which cannot be far below the surface there.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/IMG_3183_zps3ehsamjd.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/IMG_3183_zps3ehsamjd.jpg.html)

Farmers infill in the valley bottom on the other side of the hedge.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/IMG_3180_zpsimwyqlej.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/IMG_3180_zpsimwyqlej.jpg.html)

The caver's car park at Fairy Cave Quarry. The gate is locked and can be opened with a CSCC key. It must be kept locked during visits to the caves to stop unauthorised parking.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/IMG_3169_zpsobj2fthc.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/IMG_3169_zpsobj2fthc.jpg.html)

The climbers have access to the quarry and usually have the quarry gate code. I believe there is a Facebook group but they have a written guide book.

Fairy Cave Quarry , An Interim Guide, Brian Mullen for Climber's Club Guides 2012.

Presumably updated. Anyway some nice photos and curiously benign names for the climbs.

I shall return --- ::)


Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: Caver Keith on January 16, 2017, 05:09:02 pm
Last year I got to do Withyhill twice and managed to take some video.

It's on YouTube if anyone fancies a peek.

http://youtu.be/VZLMg5CsTI4 (http://youtu.be/VZLMg5CsTI4)
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on January 16, 2017, 06:57:52 pm
A lovely bit of video guys. Loved the exertions entering Green Lake Chamber. If only I had knocked that annoying knob of rock off when I found it. Too late now of course. Last made it through a couple of years ago. In later life you lose flexibility in the rib cage so that's what defeats you. It is easier to get back out though.


This image was taken at the time of discovery and features Pete Rose. That would have been on 30th September 1973. I seem to remember there is a sound connection with the main passage a bit further upstream so it's a high level oxbow.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/green%20lake_zpsfcbgaosb.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/green%20lake_zpsfcbgaosb.jpg.html)


Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: Caver Keith on January 17, 2017, 06:43:49 pm
A lovely bit of video guys. Loved the exertions entering Green Lake Chamber.
Thanks. I must admit I was quite pleased with how the video turned out.
What a great find and Green Lake Chamber is still pristine.
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on January 17, 2017, 06:44:14 pm
This one from Peter Glanvill showing WL Cave the same month that it was discovered in August 1967. The entrance then was pretty much a walk in and had been closed up and gated by the time I got in there the following month.

Left to right -
Colin Corbett, Micheal Stower and a very youthful Peter Glanvill.

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Peter picked up more slides from Pete Rose today at the dig which he will scan for the MCRA Flickr site. I will add any early FCQ ones here.
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: Roger W on January 17, 2017, 07:52:15 pm
Excellent stuff!

But I must say that some of these old photos do highlight the amount of deterioration that has resulted from years of heavy caving.

(And no, I'm not referring to the caves!   ;) )
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on January 17, 2017, 08:45:11 pm
Indeed Roger. Here is Peter Glanvill digging ( or cementing ) in Vurley today  50 years later to the year.
I am 70 this year. Can barely crawl about now. ::)

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Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: mrodoc on January 18, 2017, 05:38:17 pm
I see I am wearing a new pair of glasses otherwise I cannot see much difference ;)
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on February 05, 2017, 09:44:41 am
Top up of images from other posts now the panic of missing photos is over --

Withyhill.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/P1190059_zpsahigyeht.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/P1190059_zpsahigyeht.jpg.html)

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/P1190055_zpsim2asicc.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/P1190055_zpsim2asicc.jpg.html)

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/P1190053_zps1apr59fj.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/P1190053_zps1apr59fj.jpg.html)

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/P1190049_zpsd99lriy9.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/P1190049_zpsd99lriy9.jpg.html)

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Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on February 05, 2017, 09:53:51 am
Withyhill.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/P1310054_zpse0dqklxg.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/P1310054_zpse0dqklxg.jpg.html)

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/P1310043_zpsyojsakjq.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/P1310043_zpsyojsakjq.jpg.html)

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(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/P1310047_zpsvkrzaud8.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/P1310047_zpsvkrzaud8.jpg.html)

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Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: Laurie on February 05, 2017, 11:39:30 am
You almost want to sit and wait for the stal in the last photo to join up.
Thanks OR  ;D
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: tony from suffolk on February 05, 2017, 01:24:34 pm
Funnily enough, in the time since Mr OR posted these photos, that stal's gone on to form a column! amazing really.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/tonyfromsuffolk/stal2.jpg)
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: Laurie on February 05, 2017, 02:32:52 pm
Have you seen the road sign in Lamb Leer?
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on February 05, 2017, 04:27:14 pm
What road sign in Lamb Leer ?

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/CNV00028_zps1qy3pocb.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/CNV00028_zps1qy3pocb.jpg.html)

Seriously off topic but by gum it's my thread. :ang:
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on February 05, 2017, 04:34:24 pm
Amazing Tony but even more so last week it had helectites on it. :lol:

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/stal2_zps6osvfgmd.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/stal2_zps6osvfgmd.jpg.html)

Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: Laurie on February 05, 2017, 04:52:24 pm
What road sign in Lamb Leer ?

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/CNV00028_zps1qy3pocb.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/CNV00028_zps1qy3pocb.jpg.html)

Seriously off topic but by gum it's my thread. :ang:
That one's far too new.
There's an old 30 limit sign with 'fruit gum' style reflectors next to the winch platform.
Looked newish first time I was in there in the late 60s/early seventies.
It's gathered stal very fast, over the years it's become less and less visible.
I was last in there about 13-14 years ago, still just visible then.
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: tony from suffolk on February 05, 2017, 05:35:39 pm
Amazing Tony but even more so last week it had helectites on it. :lol:

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/stal2_zps6osvfgmd.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/stal2_zps6osvfgmd.jpg.html)
  :lol:
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: cooleycr on February 06, 2017, 01:10:26 pm
Behave you two - you'll have me thinking the whole place was just a barren chamber that you 'photo-shopped' all the features in  :lol:
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: Roger W on February 06, 2017, 02:06:48 pm
Maybe the whole place is just a confection of photoshopped bits of other caves, and doesn't really exist at all....?
Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on February 26, 2017, 10:46:08 am
Priceless Grotto, Withyhill Cave.

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(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/P2230022_zpsc96tmq6s.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/P2230022_zpsc96tmq6s.jpg.html)

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/P2230025_edited-3_zpsgec4mwpi.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/P2230025_edited-3_zpsgec4mwpi.jpg.html)

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/salsettediving/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/P2230037_zpsi43nklai.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/salsettediving/media/Album%20Seven/Album%20Ten/P2230037_zpsi43nklai.jpg.html)

The route in looking back.

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The tight bit.

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Title: Re: Fairy Cave Quarry. The Last 45 Years.
Post by: The Old Ruminator on February 26, 2017, 10:48:53 am
From Pete Rose archive. Me in Withyhill early 1970's.

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