To be honest, I can't see a great deal wrong with that and the fine does seem to be "elf-n-safety gorn maad". Presumably the loader can quite happily lift a tonne bag of fertiliser or whatever so a couple of blokes would be well within any limit

Not sure of distance, but how about down the valley towards Ystradgynlais, turn right to Brynamman, then over the mountain past Herbert's quarry, across on the back road to Loanddeusant and Trecastle then back across past Cray to the main Swansea road and back to the Club. Longer version via...

and another girl asked for a single entendre ... so the barman f***d her

A girl goes into a bar and orders a double entendre. ... so the barman gave her one.

I don't mind some of them, as they get otherwise non-participants doing something vaguely outdoorsy or adventurous, and these are broadly "a good thing" eg Welsh 3000, whether as a money raiser or just a fun endurance challenge I do have misgivings / cynicism about people doing a jolly /...

As part of the kit for the underground rescue phones, some +2 or +3 cheap reading glasses had been included, to help the, ahem, "more experienced" team members read the instructions. Makes sense as few of us intend to read a book undergound and can see well enough for ordinary caving without specs

Diving undersuits are going to be far too warm for caving, and also many are quilted thinsulate or similar so I'd imagine they'd soak up a load of water and be heavy. Even the Fourth Element jumper and trousers style fleece ones are two hot and the jumper big doesn't have a zip so you'll...

That's something at least. Nevertheless my rather strident put point is that it is very dodgy for the national body to even hint leaders should be in any way vetted by club committees. "M'lud, the national body stated .... and the caving club committee knowingly allowed all and sundry x to...

Well put. Your explanation of duty of care looks spot and agrees with what I recall in Clerk and Lindsell (the standard textbook)

My understanding was that "governing body" was a official term for body which represents a sport, eg in discussions with gov't. NCA previously held this role, even if BCRA was arguably more active and did more stuff, hence BCA post merger now the "governing body" I also understand that a...

Yebbut do we, the caving comunity really want to be vetting leaders? That's the consequence of what you're saying. If the national governing body is stating. In normal clubs the committee does not police members' caving activies. A statement from the national body stating that we should is a...

Well what does it mean then ? You have earlier said choice of unsuitable leaders would be at the committee's door (point 2 of your follow up) Such opinion stated on behalf the of the governing body ate very troubling and could create a situtation which didn't exit before I'm rarely that...

The statement is ill though out and an appalling thing to put out I am assuming the link isn't a stupid wind up but I genuinely shocked that such a missive has been put out by the supposed national body, seemingly with little or no consultation or thought as to the consequences It states...

I have to quibble with the logic / wording. I stress this isn't me being an internet smart arse, but it matters when doubtful information on "duty of care", and "we have to do such and such", plus comments about insurance are stated as facts, which then get repeated. We had this some years ago...