Thanks, well were in essex so would hopefully make a good day of it and try both if we have time.

Possibly, to be perfectly fair i am sick and tired of going everywhwere i go and being lead around like a sheep. I want to explore. I think the freedom would be nice for a change.

Hello, New to all this. My dad told me stories when i was young about caving at goatchurch, him and his brother, my uncle, had a motorcycle helmet and a builders helmet and went years ago. I just wondered if i can go with a couple of friends, in appropriate gear, and go caving at goatchurch...