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Carrot Passage, West Kingsdale

While clearing out some of my old notes I came across the attached survey, based on an extract from the ULSA survey, with minor additions following some digging by CSS members in 1982/83. This was originally published with an article in the CSS Newsletter Vol 25, p 99.

The area was visited by Dave Ramsay and Clive Gardener in November 1982. The Milky Way was followed to Tri Junction, however at that point it was necessary to dig through the Shingle Crawl to access the junction beyond. The left branch was investigated first and ended at a low airspace which was dug through to access the base of an aven. This had not been previously entered. A possible ascending hole could be seen going off about 6 metres up but lacking any climbing gear it was decided to return to look at the right hand branch at the Shingle Crawl. This was followed to another junction at the end of Carrot Passage. The left led to a low canal (as described in the guide books) which was pushed as far as the water levels allowed, and less far than pushed by others.

Returning to the right branch we progressed along the bedding to a cross rift, which was the limit of prevoius exploration. A brief trial dig confirmed that it could be readily extended. It was April 1983 before we were able to return, this time with the addition of Rick Box and Joe Duxbury, and were able to extend the bedding to a small chamber. At this point the low bedding continued but was considered at the time to be quite feasible to extend.

Due to various circumstances we never did return. Coming across my old sketch I am curious as to whether any further extensions havew been made, either at the 6m aven or at the end bedding plane? Has anyone got a more current survey of carrot passage?
 

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TLH

Active member
Derbyshire CC seemed to have a lengthy involvement with that area during the late 80's / early 90's. Before my time, but there's a lot of reference in old newsletters etc.

I'm not entirely sure as to what they were actually doing in there, and where though - Sorry.
 

Pitlamp

Well-known member
Thanks for posting that - certainly interesting. It shows the value of writing things up at the time and especially producing a drawing.

I think your first new section described (on left beyond the Tri Junction) is what later went on to be extended as the Compost Series.
 

Alex

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I have been as far as the low canal on the bottom left of the survey but no further, I seem to recall the slope looked rather silted up and would need digging, however my memory is vague on this as this was probably 10 or more years ago as it predates when I was writing my trips in a log book.
 

Flotsam

Active member
Derbyshire CC seemed to have a lengthy involvement with that area during the late 80's / early 90's. Before my time, but there's a lot of reference in old newsletters etc.

I'm not entirely sure as to what they were actually doing in there, and where though - Sorry.
I know Colin Davison of the DCC/NCC was digging there possibly with members of the NCC, Lugger? Howard Limbert?, Colin was previously ia major contributor to the New Rift Pot dig.
 

asheshouse

New member
My recollection of the low canal is not pleasant. We were able to get into the lower part of the canal but did not push it very much due to restricted air space. I believe that others had been able to progress further previously. The bedding plane to the right however was comparatively pleasant, dry and flat. Could have been progressed by using a digging tray and trowel. This was around the time we were digging Trident Passage in Aggi so not dissimilar.
 

Tritim230

Active member
Thanks for posting that - certainly interesting. It shows the value of writing things up at the time and especially producing a drawing.

I think your first new section described (on left beyond the Tri Junction) is what later went on to be extended as the Compost Series.
I remember exploring the Compost Series in the mid 80's. Write-up and survey are in LUSS 4.
 

Pitlamp

Well-known member
Thanks Tritim230 - can you confirm what I thought above is right (just out of interest)?
 

asheshouse

New member
That’s great langcliffe. Thanks for the link to LUSS 4. Great to know that our “possibly ascending hole“ actually went into something. That leaves the right hand branch at the end of Carrot as still unresolved. The little chamber we dug into at the end would have provided some limited scope for spoil disposal. The April 83 dig was extended just by losing spoil into the side of the bedding plane. Dig was flat out though.
 

Tritim230

Active member
Thanks Tritim230 - can you confirm what I thought above is right (just out of interest)?
Hi Pitlamp. I've been trying to remember myself. I visited twice, once to survey and that was the last time 36 years ago! This was before the DCC extensions so I'm having difficulting tying this into the later surveys published in Descent 147 and 148. According to Howard's article in LUSS 4 "Shortly beyond Shingle Crawl after the Tri-Junction, is an indeterminate fork, the main way on continuing right; but the aven lies along the left branch". I don't recall ever visiting the other branches. The survey I did with Colin Jackson is attached. Note that the plan is above the aven. I don't think there is much hope for extension. I don't recall any draughts.
LUSS 4 KMC - Compost Series.png
 
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