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High Birkwith caves - important
« on: December 03, 2018, 09:10:23 pm »
The sale of High Birkwith farm was reported on this thread back in August https://ukcaving.com/board/index.php?topic=23868.0  It would appear that the sale has now gone through and there are new owners in the process of moving in. 

This will affect the popular caves of Calf Holes, Browgill, Old Ing, Birkwith and Dismal Hill which are used extensively for novice trips by clubs and outdoor groups alike.  It must be expected that with a change of ownership, previous access arrangements may not continue.  This would appear to be the case and early reports suggest the new owners may not wish to give the same freedoms of access that cavers have enjoyed for many years. 

If you visit these caves please be aware of this change of ownership and expect that access to park cars and to the caves may be denied.  Most important of all please be especially respectful and courteous as the impression you give the new owners of cavers in the first few encounters may set the tone of future relationships to come.

Be assured that the CNCC is already on the case.  We have arranged a provisional meeting but nothing will happen immediately and the family will wish to settle into their new home.  Please use all your club and caver networks to spread this message and please emphasise the need to make a good first impression.

These caves are not on access land so there are no rights other than the footpaths and bridle ways which cross the farm.  If we wish to maintain access to these important beginner caves then we need to act as a responsible community.  Please be smart.

Tim Allen
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Re: High Birkwith caves - important
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2018, 10:14:50 pm »
Thanks for the update,fingers crossed access can be maintained.

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Re: High Birkwith caves - important
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2018, 10:24:22 pm »
Suspect after all this time there is a Right of Prescription on access

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Re: High Birkwith caves - important
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2018, 10:36:27 pm »
We can be helpful too....
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Re: High Birkwith caves - important
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2018, 11:17:20 pm »
Red Moss will also be harder to access.
First impressions are vital...

(the sheep was found - uninjured - exploring Calf Holes on CPC's Try Caving Weekend)

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Re: High Birkwith caves - important
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2018, 10:13:49 am »
Suspect after all this time there is a Right of Prescription on access

Doesn't that approach only apply if people have been going without permission for a specified amount of years? My view is that Tim's advice in the original post is best followed by all of us. (Thanks Tim and the CNCC team by the way.)

I know someone who may be going to ask permission (politely!) for one of the Birkwith caves later this week. If that happens, I'll post an update on what sort of reception they got.  If I don't post this information, it means there's nowt extra to tell.

Well done for posting that image HardenClimber3. I remember many years ago the British Sub Aqua Club had a campaign along the lines of "You're safer with a diver on the beach". (It was to do with all divers having at least basic skills in CPR and first aid, so if a member of the public got into difficulties, any sports divers present could help quickly.) In a similar sort of way, maybe we ought to flag up the fact that cavers are always happy to help the farming community whenever an opportunity arises?

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Re: High Birkwith caves - important
« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2018, 01:39:23 pm »
I really hope that access can be negotiated especially due to the nature, accessibility and beauty of those caves.
It would be a significant loss to the caving community :'-(

Those caves I'm sure many will agree have been the starting point and subsequent inspiration for lots of many great caving experiences and exploration. I am however assured by Tim being our representative for the caving community, in its many forms and shapes and I hope that an agreement can be negotiated that is beneficial and tolerable by both parties. 

Fingers crossed
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