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BMC changes its name to Climb Britain

moletta

Member
BMC trip  insurance is additional to membership. You also need to buy the hut access card (cheaper Swiss Alpine Club card).

Austrian Alpine Club includes the insurance plus hut access card (Europe, but limits e.g. Turkey). Maybe top that up for a single trip insurance with Snowcard?



 
andrewmcleod said:
bograt said:
Does anyone else think this may be as a result of 'climbing' (Indoor bouldering) becoming a potentially competitive Olympic Sport ????

It's actually indoor lead climbing (which they confusingly refer to as 'sport climbing' despite that more normally being the same activity outside) but I don't think so because:

It's more than just lead climbing in the Olympics. I think the proposal is for a "combined" event with lead climbing, speed climbing and bouldering - with points given for each event and the winner being the one with the most points. Would be more sensible with the different types separate however. Slightly different variations of the swimming stroke get separate medals, so why not the different climbing types?
 

SamT

Moderator
Bit of an explanation here from Dave Turnbull, CEO of the BMC posted on the UKclimbing website.


All
?very impressive level of response, many thanks to everyone who has commented. Here are some personal perspectives and detail about the process to date:

Midway through last year, I was at a seminar in London when one of the speakers mentioned funding might be available to help sports organisations develop their commercial and sponsorship potential. The BMC has always struggled to attract sponsorship income on any kind of scale (we end up funding the bulk of our work ourselves), so I followed this up and eventually we were given the services of a reputable consultancy firm to help us work up ideas. This work looked at things like our membership structure and benefits package, travel insurance and sponsorship options in great detail and has been extremely useful. At the start of the process we secured some addition money (around ?25k) for a branding agency to take a detailed look at how people perceive the BMC and how we might be able to improve our image to connect with new people and stay relevant in the modern age.

At the outset my expectation was that we?d probably end up with a recommendation to adopt a new BMC logo and some detailed brand guidelines about how to position ourselves. There was no specific brief to come up with new name for the BMC - it just evolved that way because the consultants came up with idea we felt had traction. For years we?ve pondered about the suitability of ?Mountaineering Council? in our name, but we?ve never been able to come up with an acceptable alternative. BMC as an acronym is OK if you know the BMC, but for new people it?s not obvious who we are or what we do. ?British Climbing? has been bandied about over the years, but the word ?Climbing? is different to ?Climb? and would never be acceptable to our hill walking members. ?Climb? on the other hand does work in the context of ?climb hills, climb mountains, climb rocks etc?. Other random options over the years have included British Mountaineering, British Mountain Sports or British Mountaineering and Climbing. None of which are hugely better than British Mountaineering Council / BMC.

So, Climb Britain was thought up as a concept in March this year and we took it from there: initially sounding people out internally to see if they liked it and felt it worth taking forward. This involved discussion amongst the BMC?s directors (all unpaid elected volunteers) and past Presidents (including the likes of Dave Musgrove, Rab Carrington and Chris Bonington) and the MCofS (who were supportive). There were some reservations, of course, but the overwhelming reaction was that the time (and the name) was right, so on 18 May the directors unanimously agreed to take the new name forward to the BMC National Council meeting, which took place at Plas y Brenin on 18 June. An explanation for those who aren?t aware: National Council comprises two elected representatives from each of the BMC?s ten ?Areas? (London, Peak, Lakes, Cymru / Wales North, Cymru / Wales South etc.), the directors, and all of our Specialist Committee chairs (Clubs Committee, Access Management Group, Huts Advisory Group, Training & Youth Committee, Technical Committee etc.) as observers. National Council is the BMC?s policy-making body and the role of the Area reps is to feed in the views of their Area Meetings and take issues from National Council back to Areas for consideration when they see fit. National Council is made up of committed volunteers who give up their time (at least four weekends per years) to participate in quarterly meetings and the AGM. It comprises grassroots enthusiasts and is typically very thoughtful and cautious in approach.

So, on 18 June I presented the Climb Britain concept to a well-attended gathering, fully expecting it to raise eyebrows and to be knocked back to the September meeting following a period of wider discussion. National Council was aware the branding project had been going on and as it turned out the response was incredibly enthusiastic and positive. The Area representatives (your representatives) liked the concept and the name Climb Britain. They felt the time was right, that the BMC had to move with the times and they voted 19 for, 1 abstention, 0 against in favour of adopting the new identity.

For me personally, Climb Britain wasn?t love at first sight, it?s been a ?grower? though. My initial impression (back in March) was it sounded a bit awkward and unusual, more like a campaign than a national body, a bit radical for the BMC. But I think the logo works well: it?s distinctive, builds on previous BMC logos and, when seen in conjunction with the ?climb hills, climb mountains, etc? strapline, presents a strong and clear message. Give it time, I say.

In response to some of the other points on this thread and elsewhere:

1. Why rebrand? To continue to represent the best interests of all climbers and walkers now ? and into the future ? the BMC had to modernise and change. Without evolving, our membership age profile would have increased and at some stage ? not now, but perhaps not far off ? we would have ceased to become relevant in the new landscape.

2. What did the consultancy work involve? Discussion with a sample of BMC volunteers, Area reps, climbing wall managers, young and older climbers, hill walkers and others. Meetings with members of the BMC Women?s Development Group, our Hill Walking Development Group and staff, and visits to climbing walls.

3. What exactly is ?Climb Britain?? It?s a new public identity, a new way of presenting what we do and what we stand for. Our formal name (Companies House, Memorandum & Articles of Association) will remain the British Mountaineering Council (BMC), and ?BMC? will still be used in aspects of our media and membership literature. The BMC?s core work for climbers, hill walkers and mountaineers will continue as usual under the Climb Britain banner; it will be business as usual.

4. Decision making / consultation. I?ve explained above how we arrived at Climb Britain. The BMC has an effective democratic structure and we used this in reaching the decision. Complex or commercially sensitive issues can be extremely difficult or impossible to agree via widespread membership consultation and there are times when we rely on our (your) elected Area reps to make judgement calls on big issues. That?s why they?re there, that why they give up their time to be involved.

5. Sport England and the Olympics. The consultancy work was paid for by Sport England so members? money was not used on the rebrand. There were no strings attached (if we didn?t like what the consultants came up with then we weren?t obliged to accept it) and without this kind of help we wouldn?t normally be able to afford this level of professional advice. Finally, regarding the Sports Councils, Sport England is not involved with the Olympics, UK Sport is. The BMC gets financial support from Sport England, not UK Sport. Sport England funds projects like ours to encourage organisations to increase their commercial (and external sponsorship) income and thus reduce their dependency on Government funding. This whole process started well before the 2020 Olympics became such a realistic prospect; it?s a complete coincidence that the two things have come about at the same time.

Phew.

Dave
 

NewStuff

New member
RobinGriffiths said:
Wonder how much that cost? That was Consignia again wasn't it?

I suspect I'm in the minority, but I'm quite disappointed.

That seemed to wind a few of you right up, I was hoping for more shenanigans. Imagine how much popcorn I'll need if the BCA decides it should be "Cave UK" or something similarly brilliant! Buy shares in popcorn companies now! I suspect a few of you would flounce off for good!


*This post was brought to you by the Popcorn Association UK
 

Roger W

Well-known member
"Cave UK"?  I thought they were thinking about something more like "UK Caving."

Oh - hang on a minute - that name's taken already, isn't it?
 

Madness

New member
Whether you agreed with the name change/re-branding or not, it's proven to be a waste of taxpayers money that could have been put to better use.
 

caving_fox

Active member
RichardB1983 said:
andrewmcleod said:
bograt said:
Does anyone else think this may be as a result of 'climbing' (Indoor bouldering) becoming a potentially competitive Olympic Sport ????

It's actually indoor lead climbing (which they confusingly refer to as 'sport climbing' despite that more normally being the same activity outside) but I don't think so because:

It's more than just lead climbing in the Olympics. I think the proposal is for a "combined" event with lead climbing, speed climbing and bouldering - with points given for each event and the winner being the one with the most points. Would be more sensible with the different types separate however. Slightly different variations of the swimming stroke get separate medals, so why not the different climbing types?

There's a limited number of Olympic events allowed. Adding 1 climbing event removes another, so by having a three-in-one medal this time they open the way to having three separate events later on when they can get rid of more boring ones.
 

Wayland Smith

Active member
So how much has this little exercise cost?  :mad:
Consultants and public meetings are not cheap.

It will be very interesting to see what appears on financial statements!
 

SamT

Moderator
The BMC secured 25k worth of marketing consultancy "for free" in that it didn't cost the bmc any money directly. Not sure where the money did come from ultimately but I very much doubt it was "tax payers money"
 

paul

Moderator
Maybe - but it could have been spent on something else more useful. The BMC have paid employees and this probably could have covered someone's salary for a year.
 

mikem

Well-known member
Money was provided by Sports Council & was only available for rebranding - lord only knows who made that decision.

Mike
 

Madness

New member
Madness said:
Oceanrower said:
Madness said:
So how much tax payers money has been spent to come up with a name that four blokes could have come up with in a pub over a few pints?

You haven't read it, have you?

Yes, I have.

BMC got funds from Sport England ( who were the Sports Council). Sport England are funded by The Treasury, who are funded by the taxpayer.

The above still applies
 
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