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Cave Conservation Rewards

Badlad

Administrator
Staff member
Congratulations team.  This is just the sort of effort cave conversationalists will like to see - taking the time to bring out old rubbish on an otherwise normal caving trip. 

Sure that stuff has been there a long time - I think there used to be an old car down Rowten so some of the metal work may be part of that - but mostly cavers just do not see or acknowledge the foreign objects in front of them and that is an attitude worth changing. 

Great effort bringing it out up those pitches.  Of course you all deserve a reward but since you are close to the scheme already your reward will have to be your inspiration to others - and a pint or two from me of course  :beer:

I hope this act inspires other cavers.  Clear up some old rubbish (make sure it is rubbish) and post your efforts on this thread.  We do have several Petzl tacklebags, Berger books and other items to give away especially to those acting for the first time. 
(y)
 

JasonC

Well-known member
Badlad said:
Congratulations team.  This is just the sort of effort cave conversationalists will like to see - ....

Are they the people who just talk about it instead of doing it ?
 

adam

Member
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A modest haul recently removed from Penyghent Pot, which comprises a load of old camping gear from Eerie pot, some knackered old rope, nearly enough ladder rungs to make a ladder and some rusty scaffold from the entrance. The helium balloon was picked up on the surface. Not shown in the picture is a second plastic barrel and a large roll of foam matting and sheet plastic.

Still to be retrieved from Penyghent is some more camping gear washed into the roof of eerie pot (whoever gets that really does deserve a prize) and a load of bang wire just at the bottom of the entrance shaft.

P.s.
JasonC said:
Badlad said:
Congratulations team.  This is just the sort of effort cave conversationalists will like to see - ....
Are they the people who just talk about it instead of doing it ?
:LOL:
 

Andyj23UK

New member
i have attempted to prod my minion into doing a writeup for this section - but they resist [ i was hoping that a better write-up would be more likley to get a prize - but it seems you are stuck weith me - so heres hoping that raw results will trump elegant prose ]

so - operation dolly - the endeavours of the northern boggarts vavving club to clear marblesteps [ gulley ] of one of its suicide sheep

in october 2014 the presence of a dead sheep was reported in marblesteps gulley pitch , as it was reportedly intact - but leaking juices - i determined that " something must be done " - so after a recce to asses the sutuation - the plan for " operation dolly " formed - i had all the gear needed - all i lacked was victims

a sumple plan - haul it out  - before winter floods or an impetuous caver pushed it deeper into the system in multiple peices

with the plan " all in my head " 0 i got 3 victims from my dales caving club [ pete monk , tony brown and dave mathews ] to assist - and with a car full of gear - we went up one day to tackle the problem

the plan was simple - gag the sheep in plastic to avoid loosing pits and dripping " jice " then use a builders bag and multi stage haul on pullies to lift the load to the surface - simples

despite the smell - and the fact that it was on the verge of falling apart - getting the sheep in the bags was quite straight forward - the only minor issues were - the fact that the plan was all in my head - and communications were " lacking "

but in 3 stages - the lift was completed and the carcass disposed off - all bags and gloves had to be binned - but the pitch was now clean and a DCC trip 2 months later confirmed that floods had erase all trace of liquids aand the smell was gone

happy cleanwashed yorkshire caving at its finest :)

thats it - marble steps cleared of one of its " natural " hazards

video :

operation dolly
 

CavingPig

New member
A joint report from Caving Pig and Captain Underpants, in which we demonstrate that even Sunday hangover trips offer plenty of scope for cave conservation.

Two of us found ourselves surprisingly not too hungover to go caving this Sunday after CHECC and decided to have a look at Lionel's Hole. We didn't get as far as reading the description, but took photos of the survey. We made initial excellent progress past the spiders at the entrance and were soon investigating polished-looking locations around the boulder chamber, until the squeezes became too committing and rough to seem reasonable options for onward progress on the round trip. We found a loop and thought we might have discovered The Pit (it wasn't), where looking down the ~2.5m hole we saw a wet rag and what looked like a bit of deviation tat. We joked that it might be a pair of pants, and conservation-minded individuals that we are, decided that pants do not belong in a cave unless worn on a person. They had to come out. Ash inserted his legs down the hole but decided that although he would probably just about fit, the vertical return might prove more difficult. I'm narrower and would have slipped down, but there were no visible footholds and I didn't particularly trust my arm strength to get me out. So we invented the game of Underpants Fishing.

Ash fashioned some tackle by knotting a sling around the gate of a krab to hold it open, then wedged himself in the hole and started dangling. After some concerted waving efforts he actually managed to hook the material and excitedly reeled it in. THEN DISASTER STRUCK! Ash's hand was mere inches away from grabbing the offending item when it slid off and assumed a new position that was both further away and flatter, and therefore much more difficult to hook. We took it in turns for a further ten minutes or so before accepting that this method would not work. By this point, we had invested well over half an hour in trying to get the material, so there was no way we were going to give up now.



Fishing

Ash decided to brave the squeeze, which was a helmets-off endeavour. After some (different) tackle adjustment accompanied by chants of encouragement we'd learnt from SUCC over the weekend, his feet finally touched the floor and he was able to pass up both the mysterious tat (a rubber seal) and the object of our obsession, which was revealed to actually be a ripped pair of Y-fronts! The thrutch out went better than expected and in the end Ash did not even need the sling I lassoed him with in case hauling was required.

Further "route-finding" brought us rather close to dinner time, and although we'd have had plenty of time on our call-out if we'd successfully navigated the round trip, we didn't actually want to return home at 2am after a long drive back, so we took the decision to turn around after finding the streamway and having a look at the sumped bypass to Junction Chamber. Throughout the trip, we kept noticing more and more bits of things that shouldn't have been in the cave, so it became a bit of a competition as to who could yell LITTER! the most times. (obviously we brought out everything we found!)

We remain puzzled as to why there was a torn pair of pants down a small hole in this cave. Did someone get a little bit excited after Rostam's rousing rendition of Lay Me Down in Mendip's Pastures at CHECC? Or had they simply shat themselves at the loose boulders and didn't wish to carry the evidence out? I suppose we may never know, but at least the cave is a bit tidier now.



Lionel's haul + Captain Underpants' new acquisition

Assorted plastic (small bags, chocolate wrappers, unidentifiable fragments), gear tape in at least 4 different colours, a bit of a plaster (the sticky bit not the gross bit, thankfully), some black duct tape, some orange material tape, a bit of bandage, bits of oversuit, what looked like a home-made rubber seal, a broken snoopy loop, a smashed bulb, a couple of batteries, a nail, a screw, a small buckle, a brass eyelet, a jigsaw piece, two identical ripped-off pockets (?) in completely different parts of the cave, and of course, the underpants.

Cave conservation is something we really emphasise in both the clubs I cave with, and right from the first novice trips, we try to instil good habits. Here's a small effort from a Swildon's upper series trip the other week, where we had two freshers on their very first underground trip helping to spot and reach batteries and wrappers after I found some cans with rancid cider, strimmer cord and gear tape. Obviously these trips are nothing compared to the effort put in by many others posting on this thread, but I hope they will remind people that every little helps!  (y)

 

CatM

Moderator
Excellent job; I applaud the commitment to underpant fishing!

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Badlad

Administrator
Staff member
It may not be a huge amount of litter on this occasion but I admire your attitude and effort CavingPig.  Well done. 

It also maybe the first report on this thread of a clean up from the Mendips.  In any case worthy of a reward.  PM sent - you get to choose  :)
 

A_Northerner

Active member
Tonight (6/12/16) SUSS went down Nettle Pot to retrieve some waste from the small pots that dot the length of the Near Flats just by the bottom of the entrance series.

I've written a full trip report and published it on UKCaving here if you're interested in reading how we got it all out: http://ukcaving.com/board/index.php?topic=21306.0

We pulled out 4 tackle sacks (2 normal sized, 2 comedically oversized) of wood, tin, carbide, battery packs, clothing, plastic and blast fuse, as well as a couple of lengths of iron that we could haul by themselves.

It was surprising to find this much rubbish so close to the entrance, I suppose it works both ways; it's relatively close to the surface so it's easier to remove it all, but it's also easy to just discard things there. It was odd that nobody had removed all this stuff beforehand though. It seems to be remnants of mining operations and food/kit of trips gone by - no archaeological significance was noted though, it was all clearly tossed down the nearest hole to be forgotten about.

Here is our photo of the haul:

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4 tackle sacks and some iron

There are still some lengths of wood and rubbish down the entrance series that I spotted on the way out but we'd already filled all our tackle sacks so a return journey may be needed, a lot of the wood in the entrance seems to be holding up rocks so we may steer clear of those however.

Big thanks to Stephen Barker, Helen Fairclough, Leo Bradley and Michael Holliday for the help in retrieving all this stuff!
 

Mark R

Well-known member
Good effort guys! I'll pm you with a choice of goodies to pick from. Just got a couple of trips to get out the way first this weekend. Talk Sunday eve/ Monday :) :clap:
 

A_Northerner

Active member
Thanks Mark! The stuff is all still in my backyard at the moment as I haven't found a decent place to get rid of it yet. I'll try and convince a SUSS driver to take it to the tip at some point.
 

impman

New member
I've  been taking my 10yr old stepson  caving for about a  year now and we obviously spend a lot of time in in some of the  busier mendip caves. We never pass by a piece of  rubbish. Educate the  young?

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CavingPig

New member
Just wanted to say thank you to UKCaving for our prize of a Berger book, and thanks to Badlad for the cuppa and showing us some amazing photos! Here's CavingPig enjoying a bit of a reading session under the watchful gaze of the underpants... (they were too mighty to be contained in the frame and the glass broke, but a bit of gear tape goes a long way) (p.s. they have been washed)

 

Badlad

Administrator
Staff member
Fabulous pic CP, we're chuckling at your real home maker style  ;)

..and well done to you impman.  Couldn't agree more.
 
2 of us had a great trip into Providence Pot and Dowbergill Passage today. Since we were travelling light we decided to scour the cave for litter and bring it out.
The water was quite low so we kept to the streamway until the very end after the short dive and traverse.

Clothing, gloves, wire, polythene, chocolate bar wrappers, a couple of knee patches,  a survey and a rubber squid (?!) made an interesting haul.
It's all in the bin now, with the exception of the rubber squid which must surely mean something to someone? I'll save it for a while so please get in touch if it's yours. 😀

Thanks also to Steve for the topo's. Almost felt like cheating!

Andrew
 

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MarkS

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Good effort.  (y)

Did you spot a mug in there that said "you sexy thing" on it?! I spotted it on the way through a month or two ago, but didn't have a bag and was worried I'd smash it everywhere if I tried to bring it out!
 

MikeyP

Member
A modest haul, which belies the effort involved in retrieving them! Multiple pairs of mole-grips and some old fashioned elbow grease required to remove these corroded krabs, left by groups doing pull-thrus down the Ride of the Valkyries in Peak Cavern. All cleared up, and you can clip your own gear into the hangers again now, which is much nicer! If anyone recognises any of them and wants them back, let us know ;)

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AR

Well-known member
That one with the green tape looks like the one i found at the Knotlow parking area a few months ago, though less corroded!

On a conservation note, several empty Corona bottles and a fag packet removed from Masson this evening... :mad:
 
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