Cave Conservation Rewards

MarkS

Moderator
A few of us had a superb trip yesterday down Boxhead and out It's a Cracker. On the way up I collected a 5ft length of rotting wood and an old drag tray from above the bottom pitch of It's a Cracker.

If anyone is visiting Lost Pot inlet (or fancies a short diversion from Lyle Cavern) in the near future, there is an old drag-tray with a length piece of hawser-laid rope attached that seems to have been washed down there. We were heading out via the Tube and didn't particularly fancy going through with it, especially since none of us had ever been through it before, but the tray and rope could do with being removed if anyone is in the area.
 

IanWalker

Active member
Roaring Hole, Chapel le Dale

Removed a life-expired dive cylinder out of Roaring Hole on Saturday. Judging from the very rusty condition it has been waiting a long time, but the tap still worked to vent most of the contents before hauling.

Sadly there remains a great deal of cavers' rubbish in this cave, from just about sump level all the way up to the entrance. Further scrap cylinders, water hose, large bore pipes, scaff bars, rotting wood et cetera.

So if you're planning a visit, please bring something toward the entrance on your way out. Some of the larger items would make a great teamwork exercise, and some of the smaller ones would fit in a tacklebag.

Ian.
 

Emsy

Member
Hi Ian

You actually read my mind, I was thinking the same thing after a trip in there last Tuesday night, mainly about the plumbing detritus in the first big chamber after the rope free-climb.

Its best to leave the rest of the diving gear at the "kitting up spot" above the last drop into the water. Even though its been a while there's still an active project going on (although I agree there are some pretty old cylinders down there too which could warrant sorting through).

Was first planning to speak to Andrew Hinde (Natural England) about taking the rubbish down in his vehicle before arranging anything, but would you be interested in making a day of this sometime soon?

Ems
 

alexchien

Member
As the previous post has suggested please do not encourage people to start removing diving gear from caves.
Whilst they may look old and abused to your experienced eyes, they may also have further life left in them.

fair enough rotting bits of wood and other obvious scrap paraphernalia, but do not start messing about with diving kit, or rigging that enables diving projects, that you know nothing about.

the ropes are also part of a diving project, as are the convenient steps that have been placed at strategic points.

 

Badlad

Administrator
Staff member
Why don't those in the know have a concerted effort to sort out the crap from stuff that's still part of the on-going project and bring the rest out. Pretty much as Emsy has suggested.  Sometimes it is a post like that from marysboy which acts as a catalyst for a clean up and sparks folk into action.  Post it up on here if you do as there are still some rewards up for grabs.
 

IanWalker

Active member
Emsy, yes I will join you for a cleanup day, please text/PM me some dates.

I understand the entrance is on Ingleborough NNR, so Natural England all-terrain-vehicle assistance seems likely!

But even so, I think anything we can haul up the cave we can carry / push / bike off the pateau.

I wonder if any of the cave's diggers would be interested in joining in? Maybe someone at Inglesport would know who they are?
 

alexchien

Member
All I'm saying is leave the dive kit alone....

Once diving gear starts being messed about with , then it's open season on digs, and I know where yours are !!
Just joking of course.

If you are that keen to see it (diving kit) out of a cave, get in touch with the owners and seek their approval before messing with it.
Rather than just taking it out, coz it's a bit rusty.
Some of these dive projects take months of work and go on for years, mainly due to the British weather, and so over that time, cylinders do become rusty and look knackered.

There's a real good project for all those keen conservationists. Langcliffe Pot, it's a real shithole, telephone cable, trashed camp kit etc. etc. We'll then see who is keen ......
 

IanWalker

Active member
alexchien said:
If you are that keen to see it (diving kit) out of a cave, get in touch with the owners and seek their approval before messing with it.
I understood the kit was unused and abandoned based on previous talks and a trip with the active cave diver. Seeing the kit was still there several years later i made a judgement on the day to remove the kit. The kit is with that active diver, though perhaps you know that already. Apologies if I upset anyone.
 

IanWalker

Active member
alexchien said:
There's a real good project for all those keen conservationists. Langcliffe Pot, it's a real shithole, telephone cable, trashed camp kit etc. etc. We'll then see who is keen ......
'Conservationists' should not be ushered off to your chosen 'shithole' for the convenience of the few. All caves deserve a little respect.

Would be willing to join you in Langcliffe for a cleanup though and we can have a good chat about it then.
 

thomasr

New member
I think cave trippers do have some  rights regarding rusty cylinders of  highly  :halo: :halo:compressed air left lying about . Regardless of ongoing diving projects
 

Cave_Troll

Active member
Peak Cavern - Resurgence sump
I?ve done a few dives over the last few months to try and tidy up the resurgence sump of Peak cavern.
This suffers from stuff being washed into it when the show cave floods, and over the years a variety of plastic chairs, Christmas trees, and plastic baubles have been removed.
On a recent dive to plan a DCRO exercise I noted the level of junk in the sump that was offensive to my desire to see a clean cave and also might possibly be something to get caught and stuck on while trying to dive.

A particularly offensive part is the Schoolroom air bell who?s walls are covered in polystyrene beads in a layer about 1m high. It is believed that these are the remains of various fake rocks that have been used in the past for film / TV work and ended being washed in here.
Getting rid of them is not an easy task and will require multiple trips with a sieve and some container to put the beads in.
About a month ago I had a few trips which removed some planks, a Christmas tree trunk, the last of the Christmas decorations, a wire rack for the sale of chocolate bars and a tackle bag full of assorted cans, wire, plastic net and clothes pegs. However there remained what appeared to be a large PVC dingy wafting gently in the current.

On the last week's dive i was able to dislodge the rocks it was hiding behind and wrestle it up to the surface. There it got even more awkward as it was half full of water and I decided to try and take it out through the showcave rather than swim it back through the sump.
I went up to the showcave and Irene let me leave my dive kit in the office and walk down over the rope walks. Skipping happily down the passage that we don?t often get to visit, I soon filled a tackle bag with all the polystyrene rocks, plastic drain pipe, iron rod and 2 (non matching) socks that I could see.
At that point I noticed the 8 feet long 6 inch square length of timber that was also floating in the pool  :cautious:
The wood was hauled back up to the showcave and stashed at the bottom of the rope walks.
The boat and bag of trash were all removed and disposed of in a better form than just being dumped in the river.

If you ever want to do some filming, please don't use polystyrene as fake rocks. You'll miss a few on derig and they'll disintegrate wash down to the sump and never vanish.
 

Leclused

Active member
Cave_Troll said:
Peak Cavern - Resurgence sump
I?ve done a few dives over the last few months to try and tidy up the resurgence sump of Peak cavern.
This suffers from stuff being washed into it when the show cave floods, and over the years a variety of plastic chairs, Christmas trees, and plastic baubles have been removed.
On a recent dive to plan a DCRO exercise I noted the level of junk in the sump that was offensive to my desire to see a clean cave and also might possibly be something to get caught and stuck on while trying to dive.

A particularly offensive part is the Schoolroom air bell who?s walls are covered in polystyrene beads in a layer about 1m high. It is believed that these are the remains of various fake rocks that have been used in the past for film / TV work and ended being washed in here.
Getting rid of them is not an easy task and will require multiple trips with a sieve and some container to put the beads in.
About a month ago I had a few trips which removed some planks, a Christmas tree trunk, the last of the Christmas decorations, a wire rack for the sale of chocolate bars and a tackle bag full of assorted cans, wire, plastic net and clothes pegs. However there remained what appeared to be a large PVC dingy wafting gently in the current.

On the last week's dive i was able to dislodge the rocks it was hiding behind and wrestle it up to the surface. There it got even more awkward as it was half full of water and I decided to try and take it out through the showcave rather than swim it back through the sump.
I went up to the showcave and Irene let me leave my dive kit in the office and walk down over the rope walks. Skipping happily down the passage that we don?t often get to visit, I soon filled a tackle bag with all the polystyrene rocks, plastic drain pipe, iron rod and 2 (non matching) socks that I could see.
At that point I noticed the 8 feet long 6 inch square length of timber that was also floating in the pool  :cautious:
The wood was hauled back up to the showcave and stashed at the bottom of the rope walks.
The boat and bag of trash were all removed and disposed of in a better form than just being dumped in the river.

If you ever want to do some filming, please don't use polystyrene as fake rocks. You'll miss a few on derig and they'll disintegrate wash down to the sump and never vanish.

You can reduce the size of the foam. But it Will be delicate to do. You need Some containers to do this. And Some aceton.  Put the foam in a container and poor a bit of aceton on it.

The biggest problem Will be the transport of the waste. The only way Will be in airtight boxes.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=c3RNUe3Ldu8

 

Badlad

Administrator
Staff member
Way back in the snows of winter we started a clean up and sort out of Long Kin West.  An awful lot of old digging gear from many eras was brought out as well as timber and metalware from the bottom of the 90m entrance shaft. As this photo suggests it was hypothermic in those wintry days and most stuff went straight in the back of the cars without being photographed while we dashed to the real fire of the Mason Arms to warm up.

wl


Cleaning up the various digs which stretch back fifty years was a big job.  Some of us had been part of digging down there in recent decades of course but most of the stuff was from a long long time ago.  Here is a picture of Mick with some of the stuff he pulled out.  On one trip he did the bottom pitch (55m) four times and on the next trip he did the entrance pitch (90m) four times each time with a bag full of crap.  Not bad for a 62 year old.

wl
 
wl


A final small collection which included and ice pick..... and you all thought that film 'the Descent' was making it up!!

wl


Big thanks to all who helped - you know who you are  :)
 

NatD

New member
Over several surveying trips into Parallel Universe (Gour Inlet, Notts 2) we noticed and brought out several bits of old digging gear as well as tidying up some of the fixed rigging. On our last trip (pictured) we brought out 2 spades, 1 trowel and a lump hammer as well as removing some of the worst ladders and rope. Previously we'd brought out more digging tools and also a solar shower. Where possible the gear has been recycled, with myself managing to avoid taking responsibility for most of it with the excuse that I didn't want to take 2 spades, 1 trowel and a lump hammer back to Leeds on the train.

A washing up tub has been left in situ (I think in Intimate Chamber) as it's useful to clean survey gear/glasses. If anyone fancies an evening or sunday trip to one of the lesser visited corners of Notts 2 I'd really recommend Parallel Universe (described in the new northern caves); over 3 surveying trips down there I haven't been bored once! All rigging required is in there but it's probably been there since original exploration - use at your own risk.

Trip reports for the 3 trips can be found here:

https://ulsa.org.uk/2017/11/25/1111/
https://ulsa.org.uk/2018/05/11/notts-2-gour-inlet-inlet-15-parallel-universe-vol-2-2/
https://ulsa.org.uk/2018/09/20/notts-2-gour-inlet-inlet-15-parallel-universe-vol-3/
 

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2xw

Active member
Nice one!

Interested in what use a solar shower has for a dig... does it go to surface??!??!
 

Badlad

Administrator
Staff member
Hey - nice one ULSA.  We brought some crap out of there a few years ago but didn't realise there was so much more.  Well done.  If any of you are at Hidden Earth call by the Ukcaving stand for a small reward.  (y) (y) (y)
 

maxf

New member
Guess the year... Mars bars for 20p...

Brought out a container from the rubbish pile by the sump in Daren Cilau which had the following in on later inspection....

(Plus some old pants, not pictured!)





Lots more rubbish still there to bring out
 

maxf

New member
Roger W said:
Was any of it still edible?

Not sure, I have not opened any of the wrappers and not sure if I want to. The best before for the Mars was 1989 the rest appears of similar vintage
 
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