royfellows
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Disgusted from Cornwall. said:I get all stressed out about various trivia in life
Small things don't matter?
Disgusted from Cornwall. said:I get all stressed out about various trivia in life
And said:Ian, why do you seem to be angry?
And said:Maybe you need to read and think about others' posts before commenting?
And said:In this spirit of this thread, I'm sure we, and all of us on this forum, have more in common with each other than any differences, and don't need to bicker. If we met in person, I'm sure we'll get on really well, and actually have very similar views on access - but we wouldn't talk about boring stuff like that, and get on with exploring the underground!
Peter Burgess said:Whereas more likely to be the case is that one of the owner's conditions on having his site accessible is that access is managed by a process where others actually have to ask the body charged with controlling the site on his behalf.
Wayland Smith said:I think that many land / cave owners require, or accept locked gates.
Because in the past some club or organisation has advised them that the "best" thing
is to allow the group to manage things so that the landowner is not bothered by loads of people asking individually.
I do not think that the land owners think this up themselves.
It seems to be many of these old guard that oppose free access, Derbyshire keys and God forbid CROW.
The NCIP has made several trips in the past (No club in particular...)droid said:You don't have to ask permission. just join the Penzance Caving Club.
(For those with chronic sense-of-humour-failure that was a joke)
Three bits of advice have stuck in my mind, two of which have the potential to reduce bickering, the third is a simple well-known morale-raising phrase in the face of a barrage of antipathy from several members.Peter Burgess said:There's no way I am going to think about this place while I am away. That's just sad. I have had some interesting advice. I am not sure it would go down too well at the moment! I might change my mind next week.
droid said:With regard to certain people's 'provocative' comments: don't say anything on line that you wouldn't say face to face.
droid said:Best not lend your UKC ID to Newstuff then.....lol