cap n chris
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Fairynuff; neutral views exist too so such a system wouldn't cater for those, one presumes.
Cap'n Chris said:Fairynuff; neutral views exist too so such a system wouldn't cater for those, one presumes.
That'll be the day when those down south realise there's more to life than gates, leaders and control.TheBitterEnd said:graham said:TheBitterEnd said:OH! and can we please get a better handle on the geography of the Dales :tease:
probably on the day that dales based cavers admit that there are, actually, caves elsewhere in the country.
'ere we go ...
Considering approximately 10% of all posts on this forum are by just two people, or about 20% by the top five posters, then it really does make this forum present a rather narrow view on caving. Of that 20% one has a general dislike of cavers, another was accused of just posting rubbish and well, you get the idea - it really is no surprise most cavers steer clear of this place.It strikes me that likes and karma and that sort of thing are fairly meaningless on UKCaving because the number of active posters is so small. On some larger forums karma or number of likes is useful to distinguish experienced posters from those whose opinion is not regarded to carry much weight.
I don't know how this could be done but I would like to see more active cavers of all abilities posting on here, perhaps more from abroad, that way we would get more of everything.
Lazarus said:... it really is no surprise most cavers steer clear of this place.
Indeed. But, it would need a damn good PR campaign to make people want to join and post, rather than ignoring it because it's full of people arguing etc. UK Grumps, UK Grumbling, UK <insert other disparaging remark> - heard them all when it comes to this forum.Cap'n Chris said:Lazarus said:... it really is no surprise most cavers steer clear of this place.
There is a simple solution to this logical irony, though. The more newcomers who join and post, the more the "problem" gets solved.
Lazarus said:Indeed. But, it would need a damn good PR campaign to make people want to join and post
Cap'n Chris said:I thought most caves were overseas, mesel'.
Lazarus said:Considering approximately 10% of all posts on this forum are by just two people, or about 20% by the top five posters, then it really does make this forum present a rather narrow view on caving. Of that 20% one has a general dislike of cavers, another was accused of just posting rubbish and well, you get the idea - it really is no surprise most cavers steer clear of this place.
Lazarus said:...one has a general dislike of cavers,
The New Yorker?s Rebecca Meade has a point: it?s time to kick the bucket list to the curb. She writes:
[The bucket list] is the YOLO-ization of cultural experience, whereby the pursuit of fleeting novelty is granted greater value than a patient dedication to an enduring attention ? an attention which might ultimately enlarge the self, and not just pad one?s experiential r?sum?. The notion of the bucket list legitimizes this diminished conception of the value of repeated exposure to art and culture. Rather, it privileges a restless consumption, a hungry appetite for the new. I?ve seen Stonehenge. Next?
graham said:Whilst musing on such things, I went straight from this site to the Grauniad's. Here I read:
The New Yorker?s Rebecca Meade has a point: it?s time to kick the bucket list to the curb. She writes:
[The bucket list] is the YOLO-ization of cultural experience, whereby the pursuit of fleeting novelty is granted greater value than a patient dedication to an enduring attention ? an attention which might ultimately enlarge the self, and not just pad one?s experiential r?sum?. The notion of the bucket list legitimizes this diminished conception of the value of repeated exposure to art and culture. Rather, it privileges a restless consumption, a hungry appetite for the new. I?ve seen Stonehenge. Next?
This is, to me, a serious threat to caves and to caving, as well as to many other pursuits.
Chocolate fireguard said:graham said:Whilst musing on such things, I went straight from this site to the Grauniad's. Here I read:
The New Yorker?s Rebecca Meade has a point: it?s time to kick the bucket list to the curb. She writes:
[The bucket list] is the YOLO-ization of cultural experience, whereby the pursuit of fleeting novelty is granted greater value than a patient dedication to an enduring attention ? an attention which might ultimately enlarge the self, and not just pad one?s experiential r?sum?. The notion of the bucket list legitimizes this diminished conception of the value of repeated exposure to art and culture. Rather, it privileges a restless consumption, a hungry appetite for the new. I?ve seen Stonehenge. Next?
This is, to me, a serious threat to caves and to caving, as well as to many other pursuits.
You're sure that was the Guardian and not Pseuds Corner in Private Eye?
...one has a general dislike of cavers,
Quote from: Graham on Today at 08:13:29am
No, only those cavers who care more about their own 'rights' than they do about the caves.
that seems to include pretty much include anyone who chooses to Cave as prioritising their 'rights'it only takes 'one individual or one trip' to ruin a cave
jasonbirder said:...one has a general dislike of cavers,
Quote from: Graham on Today at 08:13:29am
No, only those cavers who care more about their own 'rights' than they do about the caves.
As you have previously statedthat seems to include pretty much include anyone who chooses to Cave as prioritising their 'rights'it only takes 'one individual or one trip' to ruin a cave
Pegasus said:Thanks everyone for your congratulations, how encouraging.
Thanks also for the feedback - please do keep it coming, we are listening!
Jane Allen
Joe90 said:Here's an idea, clamp down hard on off-topic hijacking of threads :