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Rhys
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David Rose said:
David
This thread is posted under "other stuff, idle chat". Historically, UKCaving has always provided an area for cavers to talk about whatever they like which may or may not be caving related. Would you prefer that this sort of stuff were censored?
The intial point I intended to make when starting the thread has been made and I've really nothing more to say on the matter, but if others wish to continue the thread, that's up to them.
Rhys
graham
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David Rose said:
This thread is in "Idle Chat"
Strangely enough cavers are also people and talk about stuff other than caving.
I shall be going to my club's weekly pub meet this evening. We shall talk about caving. We shall also talk about other stuff because that is what people do.
If you don't like it, then don't read it. Me, I don't read the cryptic caves thread's 'cos I don't particularly enjoy that sort of word puzzle.
David Rose
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As I said in my original post, I would not dream of trying to stop anyone posting here. It just seems a bit random and pointless. I mean: fake Mail front pages; articles from the Daily Express; attacks on Murdoch who owns another set of papers entirely; etc. of course I don't have to read it, either; indeed, I don't much.
Bottlebank
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I've taken to reading the Mail occasionally since this thread started, just to be awkward.
Strikes me 80% of it is straightforward factual reporting, the remaining 20% is split between crusading (which could be defined as expressing one side of the argument whilst ignoring the other) and utter nonsense, I've only found a tiny proportion offensive. I don't like the anti migration stance but their hardly the only paper guilty of that.
Overall, for 60p or however much it costs the local caf? where I've read it, it seems decent value for money, especially compared to the Sun, Express etc which also sometimes pop up in there and appear to be 80% nonsense and contain no real news.
Not really sure why so many people get so offended by it? I suspect the number of reports of misrepresentation are probably proportional to the number of stories printed, which seems to be very few in some of the others.
Strikes me 80% of it is straightforward factual reporting, the remaining 20% is split between crusading (which could be defined as expressing one side of the argument whilst ignoring the other) and utter nonsense, I've only found a tiny proportion offensive. I don't like the anti migration stance but their hardly the only paper guilty of that.
Overall, for 60p or however much it costs the local caf? where I've read it, it seems decent value for money, especially compared to the Sun, Express etc which also sometimes pop up in there and appear to be 80% nonsense and contain no real news.
Not really sure why so many people get so offended by it? I suspect the number of reports of misrepresentation are probably proportional to the number of stories printed, which seems to be very few in some of the others.
Blakethwaite
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Only ever see the sunday edition but its certainly worth several pence of somebody elses money for Craig Brown's book reviews. The rest is fluff & dross mind, much like most Sunday papers.
RobinGriffiths said:
is an excellent post drawing attention to the Mails role as a smokescreen propaganda vehicle?.Mean while our government is working to dismantle the NHS and line there own pockets in the process?it is in everyones interest to resist http://socialinvestigations.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/compilation-of-parliamentary-financial.html
David Rose
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Sam T, what an awesomely virtuous person you are, refusing to click on a Daily Mail link!
FYI: if you click on a Mail link, you do not enrich its owners in any way. They have published a lovely tribute, in a paper and on a website that happens to have more readers than any other in the English media world. No doubt you deplore those people for not being as enlightened as you, but at least they will get to read what a wonderful man Scoff was.
(Full disclosure: in case anyone doesn't know, I derive much of my own income from being a freelance contributor to the Mail on Sunday.)
FYI: if you click on a Mail link, you do not enrich its owners in any way. They have published a lovely tribute, in a paper and on a website that happens to have more readers than any other in the English media world. No doubt you deplore those people for not being as enlightened as you, but at least they will get to read what a wonderful man Scoff was.
(Full disclosure: in case anyone doesn't know, I derive much of my own income from being a freelance contributor to the Mail on Sunday.)
SamT
Moderator
David Rose said:
depressing isn't it
I realise that perhaps a click on a link doesn't generate a direct payment to the Fail, but I'm very sure every visit to every page is counted and that advertisers pay their money to the Daily Bile based on how many visits their pages get. If nobody visited their pages, no advertisers would pay and the rag and all its hateful poison would crawl back under the stone it came from.
Anyhows, saw one of scoff lectures at HE, seemed like a top bloke and apologies, this is not the place for this discussion :spank:.
Any further comments on the topic should perhaps be made here: https://ukcaving.com/board/index.php?topic=16056.0
David Rose
Active member
You raised the issue, pal.
droid
Active member
Thank you Sam.
The Mail is The Sun with long words.
It seems to have the same rabble-rousing attitude, the same 'interesting' attitude to checking facts.
The same tendency to only consider information that backs up it's a priori opinion.
As such, I despise it the same as I despise The Sun.
The Mail is The Sun with long words.
It seems to have the same rabble-rousing attitude, the same 'interesting' attitude to checking facts.
The same tendency to only consider information that backs up it's a priori opinion.
As such, I despise it the same as I despise The Sun.
royfellows
Well-known member
Mm, but at least plenty to read for your money, dont buy the Sun for a long train journey!
royfellows
Well-known member
I have just been thinking.
This is a caving website, and aditnow is a mining one. The interest in the underground is common to both and it is what brings us together.
Our politics, religious views, thoughts on man made global warming etc are what would divide us.
I do a lot of martial arts and when I walk into a dojo all that shit gets left outside the door.
Would not a similar attitude be appropriate on here?
This is a caving website, and aditnow is a mining one. The interest in the underground is common to both and it is what brings us together.
Our politics, religious views, thoughts on man made global warming etc are what would divide us.
I do a lot of martial arts and when I walk into a dojo all that shit gets left outside the door.
Would not a similar attitude be appropriate on here?
