Peter Burgess
New member
Make up rules as you go along? You were lucky! We used to ignore the rules even before we'd made them up! Aye, tell that to the cavers of today, and they won't believe you!
Peter Burgess said:Make up rules as you go along? You were lucky! We used to ignore the rules even before we'd made them up! Aye, tell that to the cavers of today, and they won't believe you!
They will fall foul of nothing if no real controls are in place to check it is being run as intended. It really is exceedingly simple to form a club that allegedly conforms to the set of rules suggested by the BCA (member numbers, constitution etc). Any fool can do it!kay said:Bob Mehew said:BCA has rules concerning what is an acceptable club, see http://british-caving.org.uk/wiki3/doku.php?id=membership:club_criteria. It normally expects there to be at least 4 members. The current list of member clubs is at http://british-caving.org.uk/wiki3/doku.php?id=about:member_clubs. So I suggest there is a general view within BCA that micro (that is more than 3 people) clubs are OK.Simon Wilson said:Are we all happy with the concept of a micro-club or are some of the provocative people going to pretend they don't know what I am talking about?
The link Bob quotes also says:
"The club has a major aim or objective that is in support of the sport of caving, mine exploration, cave science, cave & mine conservation or caver training."
Any club set up purely to give someone influence on CNCC or any other body would fall foul of that.
Lazarus said:They will fall foul of nothing if no real controls are in place to check it is being run as intended. It really is exceedingly simple to form a club that allegedly conforms to the set of rules suggested by the BCA (member numbers, constitution etc). Any fool can do it!kay said:Bob Mehew said:BCA has rules concerning what is an acceptable club, see http://british-caving.org.uk/wiki3/doku.php?id=membership:club_criteria. It normally expects there to be at least 4 members. The current list of member clubs is at http://british-caving.org.uk/wiki3/doku.php?id=about:member_clubs. So I suggest there is a general view within BCA that micro (that is more than 3 people) clubs are OK.Simon Wilson said:Are we all happy with the concept of a micro-club or are some of the provocative people going to pretend they don't know what I am talking about?
The link Bob quotes also says:
"The club has a major aim or objective that is in support of the sport of caving, mine exploration, cave science, cave & mine conservation or caver training."
Any club set up purely to give someone influence on CNCC or any other body would fall foul of that.
Peter Burgess said:Make up rules as you go along? You were lucky! We used to ignore the rules even before we'd made them up! Aye, tell that to the cavers of today, and they won't believe you!
Simon Wilson said:Pitlamp said:Simon Wilson said:Sorry John, It was NPC I was referring to who appear to take no interest in the CNCC.
Nearlywhite, SUSS have been discussed at some length at two recent CNCC meetings. I think it is fair to say that most people are quite dismayed that SUSS were discouraged from joining. I'm sure you will be aware that there is now a new Secretary and that things are changing. Can you ask the person responsible to get SUSS to apply to join ASAP.
Well, I've been to several NPC meetings this year when CNCC issues have been discussed and I remember one (back in March I think) when the Secretary was asked to write to the CNCC to express the club's opinion on something because there was something on that day which prevented anyone attending in person. (I don't remember the detail because I'm not an officer of the club, so I had no real need to make a firm mental note of it.) I also remember the issue of the NPC's membership of CNCC coming up at a meeting; I think this was because we found we were associate members and we decided to apply to be full members. Not sure what happened about this but I'm confident that the NPC does support the CNCC and take an interest.
Regarding SUSS; I'd be delighted to see this club become a CNCC member but I'll not see any of our clubs officers till early September (at the earliest) so if this is urgent you might be better off telling SUSS directly?
NPC are a full member club and have been for donkey's years. They must have been bombarded with requests to attend the AGM and they never showed and they haven't been to any CNCC meeting since before 2006. You say they take an interest but it doesn't look that way from the CNCC end.
NewStuff said:I dunno, I'm young and I'm very good at ignoring rules. Wouldn't surprise me to seem some of the grumpy old gits on here challenged were once that way too. Before anyone starts being offended, I'm a grumpy young git, so shut it.
droid said:NewStuff said:I dunno, I'm young and I'm very good at ignoring rules. Wouldn't surprise me to seem some of the grumpy old gits on here challenged were once that way too. Before anyone starts being offended, I'm a grumpy young git, so shut it.
I'm old and pretty good at ignoring rules too.
Practice makes perfect.
Love it when people like Simon bollock on about people exercising 'free access' (ie ignoring CNCC) in the last 8 years. I remember doing that 30-odd years ago.....
The two houses of individuals and clubs only applies to BCA; CNCC only allows clubs to be members and vote. In BCA two individuals are elected as club reps to Council to reflect club views in general, not their club's view. In CNCC a club is elected as a committee member and then that club has the right to chose who represents them.droid said:Why are there two 'houses'....if I read Kay's post right....?
Peter Burgess said:Address what you see as the reason for the micro clubs existence. Then their raison d'etre evaporates.