Problem at Braida Garth in Kingsdale, last night.

Pitlamp

Well-known member
The farmer at Braida Garth rang me early this morning, about something that happened last night. Around 1:00 a.m. his dogs were making a row and he saw 3 or 4 lights moving around in the yard. Anyone who reads the Craven Herald newspaper will probably know there's been a large number of burglaries from farms over recent months in the Dales, some quite serious. Obviously concerned, he rang the police, who turned out in force, very quickly.

The police then met some cavers at the road end of the lane, who I think had quite innocently been returning late from a trip up on the East Kingsdale bench.

The reason the farmer rang me was to see if I could put the word around the caving community about visits to the East Kingsdale caves in future. He's been really good with us and I'm sure this will continue. He asks that, if folk are going into any of the longer potholes on that side of the dale and there's a possibility of returning late via the farm, please call in and just let him know that you may be late back down? Even if you don't expect to be too late, have a word anyway in case of unexpected delays underground.

(Given the level of farm crime generally, it may be worth doing the same thing in similar situations elsewhere around the Dales. Most farmers are grand and they just want to know if there may be folk about legitimately, at unusual times.)

If the cavers who were late down last night see this, could you please send me a PM? (There's no finger pointing involved ; it'd just be useful to chat it through, so I have better information for next time I'm at at Braida Garth; thanks.)
 

Pitlamp

Well-known member
. . . which suggests altering the note about access for the East Kingsdale potholes from:

"A courtesy call at the farm / house of the land owner is required."

to something along the lines of:

A courtesy call at Braida Garth farm is required. Because of ongoing rural crime, if you may be late coming back please explain this so the farmer is aware.
 

CNCC

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Thanks Pitlamp, acknowledged and we will get the relevant caves updated with some more explanative text over the coming few days.

Thanks also for your email. We will have a chat with you and amongst our Officers (once we are back from weekends away etc) to see if any further actions may be beneficial to help smooth relations or avoid future issues.

Thank you as always for reporting this so proactively.
 

Ian Ball

Well-known member
I was once on a night bike ride along a bridleway and picked up a nail, wonderful. so not being in the modern way of self-sealing tyres I was fixing the puncture by headtorch when the farmer and mates steamed up in three 4x4s. I was not correct in thinking they were there to help me. One of the guys had a pipeful with his headlights on to ease my strife, much appreciated, first and last time I've seen a tobacco pipe smoker in public!
They were also concerned about farm theft and you can see why, why must be 50% of your annual income is in 2 or 3 weeks harvest, you don't want anyone messing about with that.
 

Pitlamp

Well-known member
Sam - I see from the other topic that you'll be looking at the Northern Caves website; just wondering if it might be possible to tweak the access advice to incorporate something about the above?
 
I used to drive a old landrover defender and was stopped numerous times by the police after late night caving trips after concerned people calling it in. The police quite often found it hard to believe a 20 year old had been out caving on a Friday night.
 

Loki

Active member
I thought all cavers had to call at braida for east kingsdale. We always did back in the day. What changed?
 

Pitlamp

Well-known member
I can only report what was said to me when he rang me yesterday.

Our CNCC officers are now on the case; this might involve a follow up visit to determine the current situation and to fine-tune what's being requested. I'm sure it can be sorted, definitively. Probably best now to leave it with them to deal with.
 

zzzzzzed

Member
I can only report what was said to me when he rang me yesterday.

Our CNCC officers are now on the case; this might involve a follow up visit to determine the current situation and to fine-tune what's being requested. I'm sure it can be sorted, definitively. Probably best now to leave it with them to deal with.
Braida Garth have had a rough weekend. Somebody let all their pregnant ewes out onto the Kingsdale road yesterday as well.
 

Pitlamp

Well-known member
Oh dear. Thanks for mentioning that zzzzzzed.

I think, more than ever, a visit from a CNCC officer to establish exactly what they'd like to happen going forward wouldn't hurt. Show we're taking it seriously. Our CNCC folk are well into this one now.
 

Pitlamp

Well-known member
I think we really need to leave this to our CNCC officers to take forward now. They are very much on the case.

I've still not had a PM from the cavers who were at the scene in the wee small hours of Sunday morning.
Please would you make contact? We just need your perspective on what happened.
I don't bite - honest! ;)
 

thehungrytroglobite

Well-known member
I think it was the Yordas gate that was left open.

Maybe the CNCC could offer to install a style by the Yordas gate and put some signs on the others.
Tbf with Yordas, it probably wasn't cavers. All sorts of muggles go there these days. I reckon the gate is the farmer's responsibility. Even with a stile, the gate would still get used most often so that wouldn't really help. And it's important to ensure the gate remains available for everyone to use because that's what makes Yordas vaguely wheelchair accessible.
 
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