My post was simply a mention of a caving trip which happened to be Dinah's first for many years, and of course, her first since being asked to write her opinion. But it did have a serious message. As devotees of this argument are aware, much turns on the long pre-CROW use of terms such as "open air" in relation to recreation, and its origins in the movement to get people out of cities and into healthy recreational activities such as walking, climbing, and, we argue, caving. This definition was absorbed into the Act. Dinah's immediate and instinctive response, informed by her long legal experience, was that having again experienced caving, it should not lawfully be distinguished from other activities that have been recognised as being covered by the CROW Act, and any judge who was taken caving would come to the same view.