Quote from: droid on December 30, 2020, 08:39:29 pmThose that think lockdown doesn't work...What will?Soldiers at the end of your street probably. Can't see any other way that the great British public take the situation seriously. Of course, it would be a brave Prime Minister that would go down that route.
Those that think lockdown doesn't work...What will?
Mortality rates really aren't that unusual this year. Sure, higher than last year, the worst in 10 years even (by 3%), but lower than 2008 and I don't remember that making headline news or forcing a national lockdown. https://www.actuaries.org.uk/learn-and-develop/continuous-mortality-investigation/other-cmi-outputs/mortality-monitor
The other thing to consider about Covid is that it's only been around for just over a year. We don't know what the long term prognosis is, whether Covid will come back year on year and give people another 'nip'. The vaccine might prevent illness, but won't necessarily prevent transmission. We've already seen that as we became sanguine about the Pfizzer vaccine a few months ago, that the virus still has some tricks up it's sleeve. Best play it safe I think.
& she even has some idea what she's talking about!
Who want's long-lasting multi-organ damage in the relatively young? Not me.https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4470Estimates of one in twenty people getting symptoms for over 8 weeks.https://covid.joinzoe.com/post/long-covidLong Covid is going to stop you going for significant exercise or caving for a while. That's not going to help anyone's mental health.https://www.bhf.org.uk/informationsupport/heart-matters-magazine/news/coronavirus-and-your-health/long-covid
It cannot identify the difference between who is ill and who was ill who is infectious and not to mention the elephant in the room, false positives from over run labs
QuoteIt cannot identify the difference between who is ill and who was ill who is infectious and not to mention the elephant in the room, false positives from over run labsThe majority of PCR tests are for people who are displaying symptoms of covid, thus it is more likely they have an active infection than a random sample of the public. The false positive 'elephant' is a covid deniers conspiracy theorist myth that has been debunked multiple times but is still parroted by ignorant celebrities despite having the facts explained to them.The ONS paper details the issues in this paper which is about their random population sampling (the pillar 4 tests in the second link below, which are a tiny fraction of the total tests). The bulk of samples in the national figures are of symptomatic people so the number of false positives is even lower than this paper suggests (pillars 1 and 2).https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/methodologies/covid19infectionsurveypilotmethodsandfurtherinformation/pdfhttps://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/testingThe real pandemic is covid, there isn't any doubt about that. We wouldn't have rocketing deaths from the common cold, if we were testing for it, because it doesn't kill people. You are implying that thousands of doctors are breaking the law every day when completing death certificates in a coordinated conspiracy.
Which brings me to one of my original statements in my firstpost in this thread questioning what the real pandemic is..It has to be over testing....
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