I have taken a look at the presentations accessed by the links here and I am appalled by them. Total misrepresentation of how virtuous canoeists are and anglers are not, about the (in reality very few), good works canoeists do, with no recognitions of anyone else and the work they do, for the environment, for youth and more. There is unimaginative use of buzz words and current health concerns, as if canoeing is the answer to everything. Let's address some facts - canoeists have demonstrated no wish to pay to use the waters in the same way as anglers do, to the Environment Agency, monies in part used towards the health and maintenance of rivers. Canoeists as a group have a history of refusing to negotiate with land owners and legitimate water users and of withdrawing from or ignoring agreements. They also have a record of disruptive and aggressive behaviour to others. Canoeists demand Rights that no-one else in the UK have - no-one has the right to go wherever they want and do as they like and certainly not at the inconvenience or expense of others. It is time to drop the "navigable" nonsense - what by, poo-sticks? It matters not if my local river was declared navigable by the Romans or King whoever hundreds of years ago as it is not the same river now and, as a single example, harnessing its power in the Industrial Revolution put paid to navigation. Laws become obsolete, they fall out of use and stop being Laws without the need to be repealed. The efforts made by and on behalf canoeists in this direction have been proved, in Law, to be a invalid. It is way past time that canoeists accepted that they live where they live and the reality of this; this is not a wilderness but an overcrowded island, every inch of which is owned by someone. They need to learn that they should negotiate, not demand, as this is the way progress is made. I believe that cavers should take no notice of the example canoeists are making and should continue with the well thought out and responsible route the majority take. If my views above sound totally biased I can add that when my Partner, who knew my feelings about the nuisance canoeists, first visited my home she looked down the garden and said "what's that?". "My canoe" I answered. Yes, I have been there and know the pleasures, enjoyed legally but illegally, inconsiderately and wrong too. I know better now.