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M1 Apple Macs
« on: December 02, 2020, 02:51:22 am »
Has anyone used one of the new M1 Macs?  From various reviews etc. they look pretty awesome compared to Intel based stuff and seem to wipe the floor with them.
I'm typing this post on a mid 2012 i5 MacBookPro (yes it is that old and still works fine) that I've shovelled 16GB RAM into and will be upgrading the HDD again for a 1TB Crucial SSD (as opposed to current 1TB spinning rust I upgraded a while back) courtesy of the recent deals on Amazon.  Soooo,  I was wondering whether to take the plunge for more shiny aluminium or wait a bit?  Main heavy processor needs are to run DaVinci Resolve.  The new Mac Mini looks like the current bargain of the century, but as ever thoughts and comments welcome.

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Re: M1 Apple Macs
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2020, 09:41:13 am »
battery life looks unreal, processor power looks great. Rumours are of a facelift model next year so the 13" model becomes 14" in same size chassis, if that takes your interest.

Obviously 'home' upgrades to RAM are no longer an option, so worth future proofing your purchase by maxing it out.

The mac mini's look ace, and if I wasn't so seriously close to unemployment, I'd be looking at one myself.
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Re: M1 Apple Macs
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2020, 12:25:00 pm »
I'd wait a bit in case there's any issues that might take a generation or two to resolve.

I'd be interested in one myself but for the fact that my eight-year old MacBook Pro is still going strong, and I'd expect it to do so for at least another two to four years. There's some serious longevity in those machines. My sister's still using her 2008 white plastic Macbook. Takes a while to boot up, but otherwise working fine. 
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Re: M1 Apple Macs
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2020, 12:43:55 pm »
my late 2013 MBP is still doing the business, but mostly use my iPad for stuff outside of work. Big Sur will be the last OS upgrade it's eligible for, so might consider a MacBook upgrade next year. Or possibly will in the meantime succumb to the draw of a new iPad pro/air.

the two M1 portable macs both very much look like entry level type machines. Would imagine alongside re-designed chassis an M1X ramped up processor next year, which may take out any little niggles discovered in gen 1 (as SH has stated above).

As time goes on more and more software will run natively on apple chips, and so efficiencies will get better and better.
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Re: M1 Apple Macs
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2020, 12:45:55 pm »
I've just had an email confirmation that my new MacBook Air arrives tomorrow so I'll let you know what I think. The new one will replace my 7 year old one, which still has plenty of life left in it, though looking a bit the worse for wear due to very heavy use. It will be demoted for use in my garden workshop.

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Re: M1 Apple Macs
« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2020, 07:48:25 pm »
I've a Macbook Pro & iMac, both 2013, neither of which will take Big Sur. Macs being what they are, they'll both keep going for years yet, and there's nothing I can see in Big Sur that'll be an advantage over Catalina.
 
Nevertheless...just awaiting my new Mac Mini, due in a week or so. Not hugely sensible I suppose, I just - wanted one!
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Re: M1 Apple Macs
« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2020, 10:50:05 am »
I went to Catalina on a day trip once (lovely), and I once bought a SE30 BIOS chip to make a crack-Mac on an Amiga (like trying to buy an old master oil painting, even in 1994 - most wouldn't sell me one, so evil and ruthless were their rulers), but apart from using QuickTime occasionally I'm afraid that's my entire life exposure to Apple products right there. They are durable though, I'll give them that  ;)

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Re: M1 Apple Macs
« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2020, 11:47:51 am »
I got my school to buy some Apple II’s in about 1980, which was an improvement on the Powertran we had soldered from components. 64 chips for 4k of memory. It took a while. It ran BURP (BASIC Using Reverse Polish). It was easier to programme in machine code to be honest. What larx.

I think we have at least 25 bits of Apple kit. It never breaks unless you drop it in the toilet.

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Re: M1 Apple Macs
« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2020, 12:26:02 pm »
I've a Macbook Pro & iMac, both 2013, neither of which will take Big Sur. Macs being what they are, they'll both keep going for years yet, and there's nothing I can see in Big Sur that'll be an advantage over Catalina.
 
Nevertheless...just awaiting my new Mac Mini, due in a week or so. Not hugely sensible I suppose, I just - wanted one!

I don't think there's anything particularly groundbreaking in big sur, but the changes to safari are nice, and the new control centre and notification centre are much cleaner and nicer to use.
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Re: M1 Apple Macs
« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2020, 11:13:36 pm »
I've just installed a new SSD into my Mid 2012 MacBook Pro. Seems a lot more nippy than the previous spinning rust HDD, so more life left in the laptop yet.  SSD installed is a Crucial 1TB MX500 as it was on discount on Amazon (also have installed Crucial RAM in the past).  Fairly painless re-installing everything from a Time Machine back up, although it takes a while transferring the data back. 

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Re: M1 Apple Macs
« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2020, 08:14:03 am »
My new Mac Mini's arrived, and files transferred over from my iMac using direct Thunderbolt 2 to Thunderbolt 3/usb-something adaptor on the Mini. Took about an hour for 800GB or so. It's certainly a nippy little devil! My only issue now is with the relative paucity of connections and the fact that we've now got Thunderbolt ports that are the same as the latest USB type; it's all very confusing!

Spend a jolly couple of hours trying to get sound to come out of the speakers on the new LG monitor I had to buy. The headphone socket worked, but not...Ah, I eventually realised I'd inadvertently bought the model without inbuilt speakers. How I laughed! So now, I've had to buy computer speakers. Oh, and a webcam.

SWMBO has commandeered my iMac, so after a few difficulties, I managed to transfer her system across from her Macbook Air. Was she happy? Nope - because she was using an old version of Microsoft Office that now won't run on Catalina. 'Puters are so much fun, aren't they?
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Re: M1 Apple Macs
« Reply #11 on: December 16, 2020, 09:15:51 am »
It's all a cunning and evil plot to get you to spend more money, Tony.

You should have spent your cash on caving gear!
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Re: M1 Apple Macs
« Reply #12 on: December 16, 2020, 10:57:26 am »
SWMBO has commandeered my iMac, so after a few difficulties, I managed to transfer her system across from her Macbook Air. Was she happy? Nope - because she was using an old version of Microsoft Office that now won't run on Catalina. 'Puters are so much fun, aren't they?

Upgraded my mums MacBook air a while back, and had the unfortunate effect of her losing access to the old microsoft office system she'd been using, which had the domino effect of me needing to teach her the basics of Numbers/Pages/Keynote.
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Re: M1 Apple Macs
« Reply #13 on: December 16, 2020, 11:37:54 am »
Upgraded my mums MacBook air a while back, and had the unfortunate effect of her losing access to the old microsoft office system she'd been using, which had the domino effect of me needing to teach her the basics of Numbers/Pages/Keynote.
Yes, that's where I'm at with my dearly beloved. I might have lied exaggerated a bit when I told her the Mac Apps were pretty well identical to the Microsoft ones, and she'll have no trouble getting used to them...
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Re: M1 Apple Macs
« Reply #14 on: December 16, 2020, 11:48:10 am »
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My only issue now is with the relative paucity of connections
You can get add on hubs that have extra USB and SD card reader ports as well as space for an extra 2.5" drive such as:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Satechi-Type-C-Aluminum-Stand-Hub-Grey/dp/B07YSWZNNW/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?dchild=1&keywords=mac+mini+hub&qid=1608119075&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUE4M1JaT1dYOE9WNEEmZW5jcnlwdGVkSWQ9QTA5NjI3MDRHMlVERVQ0M1VaS1YmZW5jcnlwdGVkQWRJZD1BMDY5NjYxMzFBNVBVUU9LUUY4REgmd2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGYmYWN0aW9uPWNsaWNrUmVkaXJlY3QmZG9Ob3RMb2dDbGljaz10cnVl

There's a few reviews on youtube

OpenOffice is a good alternative to Microsoft's offerings and it's free. 

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Re: M1 Apple Macs
« Reply #15 on: December 16, 2020, 12:03:43 pm »
Upgraded my mums MacBook air a while back, and had the unfortunate effect of her losing access to the old microsoft office system she'd been using, which had the domino effect of me needing to teach her the basics of Numbers/Pages/Keynote.
Yes, that's where I'm at with my dearly beloved. I might have lied exaggerated a bit when I told her the Mac Apps were pretty well identical to the Microsoft ones, and she'll have no trouble getting used to them...

yeah, did the exact same thing once I'd realised that office wasn't available any more.. I struggle enough with Numbers myself (as a certifiable excel nerd), so not sure how I'm going to convince her it's a solid replacement ha!
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Re: M1 Apple Macs
« Reply #16 on: December 16, 2020, 12:18:27 pm »
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My only issue now is with the relative paucity of connections
You can get add on hubs that have extra USB and SD card reader ports as well as space for an extra 2.5" drive such as:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Satechi-Type-C-Aluminum-Stand-Hub-Grey/dp/B07YSWZNNW/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?dchild=1&keywords=mac+mini+hub&qid=1608119075&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUE4M1JaT1dYOE9WNEEmZW5jcnlwdGVkSWQ9QTA5NjI3MDRHMlVERVQ0M1VaS1YmZW5jcnlwdGVkQWRJZD1BMDY5NjYxMzFBNVBVUU9LUUY4REgmd2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGYmYWN0aW9uPWNsaWNrUmVkaXJlY3QmZG9Ob3RMb2dDbGljaz10cnVl


Satechi kit is superb, got a couple of adapters and their 3 in 1 wireless charger, and can't sing their praises enough :)
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Re: M1 Apple Macs
« Reply #17 on: December 16, 2020, 12:27:28 pm »
OpenOffice is a good alternative to Microsoft's offerings and it's free.

I give that a +1.

Not only is it free, it is completely unencumbered by all of the cloudy / collaboration bullshittery that just bogs down all current Microsoft offerings.
It lets you write documents and manipulate spreadsheets. It lets you export as PDF or print them out. The End.

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Re: M1 Apple Macs
« Reply #18 on: December 16, 2020, 01:53:38 pm »
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My only issue now is with the relative paucity of connections
You can get add on hubs that have extra USB and SD card reader ports as well as space for an extra 2.5" drive such as:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Satechi-Type-C-Aluminum-Stand-Hub-Grey/dp/B07YSWZNNW/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?dchild=1&keywords=mac+mini+hub&qid=1608119075&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUE4M1JaT1dYOE9WNEEmZW5jcnlwdGVkSWQ9QTA5NjI3MDRHMlVERVQ0M1VaS1YmZW5jcnlwdGVkQWRJZD1BMDY5NjYxMzFBNVBVUU9LUUY4REgmd2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGYmYWN0aW9uPWNsaWNrUmVkaXJlY3QmZG9Ob3RMb2dDbGljaz10cnVl

There's a few reviews on youtube

OpenOffice is a good alternative to Microsoft's offerings and it's free.
Thanks for that Mr Zombiecake, that's very neat. I did look at something similar that had provision for a 2.5 drive in the base. I've got my original seven-port usb3 hub, which I can use with usb C adaptors where necessary.
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Re: M1 Apple Macs
« Reply #19 on: May 06, 2021, 11:53:52 pm »
Well I just got me a new shiny Space Grey Mac Mini.  I bought the Intel one instead of the new M1.  Before the forum Leech Meisters finally section me, I shall explain why.
For those that don't know, when it comes to raw power, the Apple M1 pisses over everything consumer.
So, I have a very nice (expensive at the time) A3+ photo printer that isn't the most up to date when it comes to drivers and so played safe with the Intel version, same with a laser printer.  As I'll be using it just for printing etc. don't need the M1 power, nice though it is, and that's pretty much why I bought the Intel over M1.  Also Currys were selling it at £200 less than the official Apple site (i5 6 core, 8GB RAM, 512GB SSD), and my local Currys are very helpful people.  You can add extra RAM to the 2020 (and 2018) Intel Mac Mini yourself at about 25% of the Apple cost upto 64 GB- you do need to be brave and have Torx 5, 6, and 10 bits though, which I do, and have taken Macs apart in the past, so not too much of an issue.
Wonder if there'll be an M2 Chip.... I could do with an new MacBook Pro...

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Re: M1 Apple Macs
« Reply #20 on: May 07, 2021, 08:32:44 am »
OpenOffice is a good alternative to Microsoft's offerings and it's free.

I give that a +1.

Not only is it free, it is completely unencumbered by all of the cloudy / collaboration bullshittery that just bogs down all current Microsoft offerings.
It lets you write documents and manipulate spreadsheets. It lets you export as PDF or print them out. The End.

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Does it have excel’s autofilter function?

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Re: M1 Apple Macs
« Reply #21 on: May 07, 2021, 08:44:44 am »
This was because you can’t upgrade the M1 RAM yourself without cosmic-level skills (dissembling the logic board)?

I see the i5 is £900 over £700 for the cheapest M1. I don’t know. I am interested to see if you need more than 8GB with the new processor and coming software, and there is considerable chat that you do not because of the unified memory architecture and other whizzes. I certainly do not as I don’t edit 4K movies for cinema release or whatever people with 64GB of RAM do. I just want it to last for 8-10 years or so as per normal. I can’t update to Big Sur and that is eventually going to bite me on security. I have a bad feeling that Intel will be passé for Apple by 2030.

I just have a gut feeling that finally ditching x86 for ARM-based stuff is going to be an assault on bloat. About time.

The late 2012 mac mini was one of the most useful bits of kit ever produced by anyone, although I have a smaller NUC PC made by Intel themselves which is interesting.

I decided to start using the Apple office software to give it a chance as it was seamless across Apple products and indeed cheap to free. It takes getting used to but it seems to have a lot less bloat. It’s hard to get away from 365 at work or college, but at least it’s free then. One thing that suprised me was how much better and reliably 365 runs on an iPad than a PC.......




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Re: M1 Apple Macs
« Reply #22 on: May 07, 2021, 11:24:06 am »
Does it have excel’s autofilter function?

I don't know - I am not familiar with that function.

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Re: M1 Apple Macs
« Reply #23 on: May 07, 2021, 12:09:00 pm »
Apple's Numbers spreadsheet has fairly comprehensive Filter Rules which can be applied.  Apache OpenOffice (which is free) has a more Excel style auto filter option.  I tend to use OpenOffice more, but that's more by tradition than anything else.
As an update to earlier post as I understand it the M1 Macs ship with OS 11 Big Sur, and the Intel ones OS 10.15 Catalina.  It was the OS 11 drivers that seemed to be an issue for me, otherwise it would have been an M1.  The Intel ones also come with two more built in USB C / Thunderbolt ports (4 instead of 2), as well as the standard 2 USB A, which is handy as I need to add a scanner as well.

 

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