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Offline Cap'n Chris

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Re: feedback on the site
« Reply #75 on: October 18, 2010, 08:26:59 pm »
Indeed, SamT! - but the use of the word "surely" in the final paragraph puts a different context on things, insofar as it suggests that my previous comments weren't supportive.

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Re: feedback on the site
« Reply #76 on: October 19, 2010, 09:39:05 pm »
I'm sorry Chris :weep: I wasn't Intending to Insult you or or suggest there is anything wrong with your reply I did see it as supportive :thumbsup:. The last paragraph wasn't directed at any one in particular. :-[

I did read a little At the beginning of this thread and it seemed like a clash of the moderators.

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Re: feedback on the site
« Reply #77 on: October 19, 2010, 09:50:42 pm »
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Re: feedback on the site
« Reply #78 on: October 27, 2010, 07:55:55 pm »
One thing that is seriously missing is the ability to upload pictures as part of your post (unless there is a way  I don't know). I don't mean the "img" tags referencing an image on another site, I mean upload to the server from you own PC.

It seems to be a general weakness of most "open source" forums. We have it on the InstantASP forum that I run and it makes reports, trips etc. MUCH more interesting. People use it a lot. Better than pages of words....

For instance, I'd have bunged up a load of Berger pics the other month, but can't be fagged going to Photobucket and copying a bunch or URL's over from one place to another.

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Re: feedback on the site
« Reply #79 on: October 27, 2010, 10:09:22 pm »

I'm guessing it'll be a bandwidth/server space(re cost) issue. Bubs ran this site for a long time out of his own pocket with no commercial interest. Things may be different now, but see something like the DFBWGC thread on UKbouldering. The lack of uploading ability hasn't hindered things like that.

The ability to post images is provided for, and is only hindered by laziness.
Imgur is pretty damned quick to obtain a url link to a photo. You don't even need to register.

I can see how the wiki benfits from uploaded photo's i.e. - no broken links.

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Re: feedback on the site
« Reply #80 on: October 28, 2010, 03:14:04 pm »
The forum software is quite capable of attaching any kind of file, and this can be locked down to just be images - however, the image hosting sites do a much better job.

It's far better to set up (for example) a free Flickr account then link the images from there - there's no need to host images on this server - what could be done with those images in the future would be far less flexible than something like Flickr offers and would cost this server unnecessary bandwidth.

The extra effort of linking images into a post here is pretty negligible - it's a few clicks...

And regarding "weaknesses" of open-source forums, have a look here and you'll find that SMF offers much more than InstantASP (old version of SMF compared to the one in use here too)...especially when you compare the cost ;)
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Re: feedback on the site
« Reply #81 on: October 28, 2010, 06:32:24 pm »
The forum gobsh1te occurs on just about every forum set up.  My humble opinion is that it provides wind-up material. Most forums provide an 'ignore' function for anyone bothered by this phenomenon.

Seems a pretty good forum to me.

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Re: feedback on the site
« Reply #82 on: October 28, 2010, 06:58:36 pm »
It's dead easy to simply ignore the posts from the "usual suspects" who bitch, post waffle or link. Just ignore 'em.

I think the forum works well as it is; it's easily navigated, doesn't advertise irrelevant shite and is usually informative; if not then it's a laugh.

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Re: feedback on the site
« Reply #83 on: October 28, 2010, 08:03:51 pm »
The forum software is quite capable of attaching any kind of file, and this can be locked down to just be images - however, the image hosting sites do a much better job.

It's far better to set up (for example) a free Flickr account then link the images from there - there's no need to host images on this server - what could be done with those images in the future would be far less flexible than something like Flickr offers and would cost this server unnecessary bandwidth.

The extra effort of linking images into a post here is pretty negligible - it's a few clicks...


Perhaps.... but people don't do it. Look at the trip reports and count ones with no pictures.

In my own experience I was running a forum on a virtual server with limited disk space, so people had to use Photobucket or similar. I've now moved it to a dedicated served with gigabit link and unmetered useage, unabling direct image upload at the same time.

The number of pictures increased in posts maybe threefold...and these threads are very popular. The corresponding number of posts crept up rapidly following this change.

Many of the older pics on the external sites have now become "broken" as well, degrading the quality of those threads.

I can't see having to go to two different sites, copy and paste links across to your post can ever be described as "better", but there yer'go :shrug:
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Re: feedback on the site
« Reply #84 on: October 28, 2010, 08:41:39 pm »

And regarding "weaknesses" of open-source forums, have a look here and you'll find that SMF offers much more than InstantASP (old version of SMF compared to the one in use here too)...especially when you compare the cost ;)

LOL that "comparison" is a load of cr&p.... they are either biassed or just plain blind/dumb...or didn't ACTUALLY try the product. Lets see....

IP Blocking "NO"  - er yes it has
Suspend Users "NO" - er yes it has
Web based template management "NO" ---errr yes it has ...
Scheduling -"blank"  - erhm  it has that.
Quote Posts "blank" - think they both have that
HTML in posts ("Yes - add in )" - "as standard"

Spell checker, word censor, calender list etc. etc...
Could go on but bored now....

Price $839 - errrhm  We paid £60

What a load of cobblers.
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Re: feedback on the site
« Reply #85 on: October 28, 2010, 11:49:55 pm »
True, the comparison doesn't have half the features of SMF 2.0 either....point is, £60 is still a lot more than £0 for zero benefit  :tease:

Regarding photos and broken links, sites like Flickr have been stable for years so it doesn't happen unless a user specifically deletes a photo.

I think the Flickr ukcaving group offers far more flexibility and gets photos seen far more than just having them hosted inside the forum.

Fair point on photo-less trip reports but I'm not sure the reason for it is that people can't be arsed linking to an external site - they seem to manage ok elsewhere in the forum.
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Re: feedback on the site
« Reply #86 on: October 29, 2010, 07:51:05 am »
Don't photo less trip reports indicate that a camera isn't taken on every trip?  :-\
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Re: feedback on the site
« Reply #87 on: October 31, 2010, 12:38:52 pm »
I'd certainly post more photos if it wasn't such a pain to do. It's okay if it's only one or two, but if I want to post a several, I find it quite a ball ache uploading to flickr (where I don't routinely store or display photos) then going back and forward copying and pasting links. Maybe I'm lazy!

Also how many times does someone have to answer the question "How do I post photos?" and fix people's img tags?

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Re: feedback on the site
« Reply #88 on: October 31, 2010, 03:43:05 pm »
Try imgur rather than flickr.

Its pretty quick, no need to register, just upload and it gives you the links you need straight away ready to cut and paste.

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Re: feedback on the site
« Reply #89 on: October 31, 2010, 03:53:00 pm »
Pics are deleted from imgur if they've had no views in 3 months, so not very good for old reports, etc.

It's a good idea to archive your photos somewhere online like Flickr anyway in case you're computer ever gets stolen, etc and you lose the originals.
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Re: feedback on the site
« Reply #90 on: November 08, 2010, 05:29:43 pm »
I like the + / - idea. If everybody thinks Peter spouts excessive shite, then it will rapidly demote his output. Or otherwise.

Chris.

With all respect, Chris (and Khakip.), it's a shite idea, and been tried before under the "karma" banner. Incredibly judgemental. The guys oop north took it quite seriously, whilst us southerners gave it the credit that it richly deserved. It didn't last long, thank goodness.

Wonder whatever happened to "New Phil"?

Still, it amused us for a while.  ;D

I remember the good old days of karma. Didn't Elaine get the most? I recall some toys out of prams too... good times.
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Re: feedback on the site
« Reply #91 on: June 27, 2011, 09:05:26 pm »
There is nothing wrong with the site ,I have found it quite interesting, in fact I got a couple of caving suits through it off cap-n-chris, I would like to see more new trips described,  Keep up the good work.....