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Re: Three Counties Grand Traverse
« Reply #25 on: September 27, 2021, 03:16:50 pm »
Badlad is spot on with his above comment.

We were initially approached by BCA (not those actually doing/supporting the dive) with the concept of organising a ‘jamboree/festival’ event in the Dales to accompany the traverse. The intended scope of our involvement was unclear so we were cautious.

Our core roles are Access, Conservation, Training and Anchors. We really hope that our efforts over recent years have made an event as this traverse much simpler. Organising festivals however is a little outside our usual remit and beyond our resources especially when we had so many unfulfilled vacancies.

Therefore, we were unsure about whether we could really benefit the project when this was first presented as a festival.

Maybe this initial hesitancy was judged as ‘refusing to support the project’ outright. This was not the message and is an unfortunate misunderstanding.

If anyone organising the traverse had contacted us to request specific assistance (e.g. with any access matter, volunteer recruitment, post-event PR, or perhaps remediation of the fells if any damage had been caused), we would have been well-placed to help. We see it as a positive that the event was so well organised, and access to caves is so open these days that our involvement was not needed!

Anyway, this aside, the focus of this thread is a well-earned celebration of an awesome achievement. This has been a testimony to the efforts of generations of diggers who have brought the Three Counties together, volunteers who have been working for months to re-line sumps, plan teams and equipment, and of course the divers and support teams involved on the day. It shows what the caving community can do when minds are put to a task. Congratulations to everyone involved!
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Re: Three Counties Grand Traverse
« Reply #26 on: September 27, 2021, 04:35:19 pm »
In my opinion inviting student clubs [...] would have been a mistake.

As a caver who assisted with the traverse, alongside one of the two support divers, and (from my count) at least 4 additional support cavers who all consider student clubs to be their primary clubs, I'm not sure that this comment is particularly fair!

Apologies if this has come across unintentionally.  I fully appreciate that a number of those involved were from university clubs and you all did a great job, but this is very different to the point I was responding to from Josh which said, "..... and would have been great experience for university cavers".  Those of you who were involved were the experienced, competent cavers who were familiar with the system and not just there as a university club caver to gain a great experience.  That would have made the organisation and logistics much more difficult IMO.  Hope that is clearer.

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Re: Three Counties Grand Traverse
« Reply #27 on: September 27, 2021, 04:37:47 pm »
Good news: there will be an article in tomorrow's Daily Mail. It will also be available online.

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« Reply #28 on: September 27, 2021, 05:13:32 pm »
A Huge Well done to all involved in this, I'm still shocked that it has been done, this must have been the trip of a lifetime, I love caving but cave diving is something else, scares the hell outta me, This is the most exciting thing to happen in British caving, I remember joking with a friend about it being done, he's a cave diver and he laughed and said yeah you'd need to grow gills, but the fact this has been done, i cannot wait to read all about it,

are there any plans to publish what has ben done,?
where you went and how you where doing, what was going through your mind, I seriously would buy that book, I am genuinely really looking forward to reading all the details.

Will you be doing a talk on this at next years hidden earth?

but very well done to all involved, sounds like amazing teamwork, Stay Safe  :clap2: :clap2: :clap2:
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Re: Three Counties Grand Traverse
« Reply #29 on: September 27, 2021, 05:34:02 pm »
A Huge Well done to all involved in this, I'm still shocked that it has been done, this must have been the trip of a lifetime, I love caving but cave diving is something else, scares the hell outta me, This is the most exciting thing to happen in British caving, I remember joking with a friend about it being done, he's a cave diver and he laughed and said yeah you'd need to grow gills, but the fact this has been done, i cannot wait to read all about it,

are there any plans to publish what has ben done,?
where you went and how you where doing, what was going through your mind, I seriously would buy that book, I am genuinely really looking forward to reading all the details.

Will you be doing a talk on this at next years hidden earth?

but very well done to all involved, sounds like amazing teamwork, Stay Safe  :clap2: :clap2: :clap2:

There were videos, photos, and interviews conducted at the event - so plenty of material out there. I'd say keep your eyes peeled for something professional in the future, but in the meantime your best option is probably to collar one of the divers or support cavers in a pub/caving hut!
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Re: Three Counties Grand Traverse
« Reply #30 on: September 27, 2021, 07:56:10 pm »
A Huge Well done to all involved in this, I'm still shocked that it has been done, this must have been the trip of a lifetime, I love caving but cave diving is something else, scares the hell outta me, This is the most exciting thing to happen in British caving, I remember joking with a friend about it being done, he's a cave diver and he laughed and said yeah you'd need to grow gills, but the fact this has been done, i cannot wait to read all about it,

are there any plans to publish what has ben done,?
where you went and how you where doing, what was going through your mind, I seriously would buy that book, I am genuinely really looking forward to reading all the details.

Will you be doing a talk on this at next years hidden earth?

but very well done to all involved, sounds like amazing teamwork, Stay Safe  :clap2: :clap2: :clap2:
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There were videos, photos, and interviews conducted at the event - so plenty of material out there. I'd say keep your eyes peeled for something professional in the future, but in the meantime your best option is probably to collar one of the divers or support cavers in a pub/caving hut!


As A_Northerner says there is a shed load material to play with. Video footage needs collecting together and editing, something I think Chris will be interested in doing. I know some of the footage, though not the entire story, is being played with already. Almost certainly there will be an article in Descent in the coming months and certainly I'd be amazed if there weren't something at Hidden Earth. There were so many people involved and each will have a unique story of their experience to tell over a pint no doubt.

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Re: Three Counties Grand Traverse
« Reply #31 on: September 27, 2021, 08:31:54 pm »
I'm fairly sure Chris has agreed to do a presentation at this years Kendal Mountain Festival Underground Session.  The session is live in Kendal Town Hall but this is also one of two venues where presentations are being filmed and shown on line over the following month.

We'll also hear from Olivier Testa and Keith Edwards

The underground session is Friday night 19th November - more to follow as things get firmed up.

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Re: Three Counties Grand Traverse
« Reply #33 on: September 28, 2021, 08:35:56 am »
Suggested Film Title:
"Jason and the Aquanauts"
The following needs to be scripted somewhere with Jason or Chris speaking to a non diving caver.
"If you are looking for ransom, I can tell you I don't have money. But what I do have are a very particular set of skills, skills I have acquired over a very long career, skills that make me a nightmare for people like you."




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Re: Three Counties Grand Traverse
« Reply #34 on: September 28, 2021, 08:47:39 am »
I loved this quote Dave,

‘On the other hand, not having the responsibility of trying to swim while carrying an anaesthetised child does make a difference.’

However, I also noted that the Daily Mail reader prefers their measurements in the imperial - a 900 yard sump!  :shrug:

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« Reply #35 on: September 28, 2021, 09:14:20 am »
Ach, what can you do? I discussed this with the features editor and we agreed we'd do everything in metres. Then at the last minute last night the deputy editor changed it to imperial!

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Re: Three Counties Grand Traverse
« Reply #36 on: September 28, 2021, 10:05:58 am »

Just off to buy a Daily Mail  :o :o :o

Very well done chaps   :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2:

Wish I had been there.   :)

Did anyone actually walk the surface from start to finish? 
Where they tagged & tracked?
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Re: Three Counties Grand Traverse
« Reply #37 on: September 28, 2021, 11:10:17 am »

Did anyone actually walk the surface from start to finish? 
Where they tagged & tracked?

Nobody planned to walk the surface route, the divers were tracked by teams entering various entrances along the way.

However (correct me if I'm wrong Chunky) I'm fairly sure the photography teams will have done it - as they saw them off at the start, then met them in Notts Pott along the way, then walked over to Shuttleworth to meet them, then Mistral, then walked up to Top Sink for the grand exit.

In fact, Team Burkey's Bitches probably walked further than the length of the system as, in the 4am darkness, they missed Top Sink and ended up a few hundred metres further up the beck than they were supposed to! The welcoming party had to flash lights at them across the fell to try and get them back so they didn't miss the divers' exit.
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Re: Three Counties Grand Traverse
« Reply #38 on: September 28, 2021, 11:28:37 am »
It was a great weekend and lovely to get to cave with a load of new people.  Amazing to see such a big team effort and seeing so many folk on Leck Fell had a great vibe.

My weekend highlight was being given a free pie. I mean, yeah the guys made it safely blah blah, but free pie! And also Ireby. How have I not done that cave before?

The lowlight was a Brummie giving me s**t about my Lancashire accent. A Brummie.

Well done to Chris and Jason and also General Gannon, sat in his VW Command Bus overseeing the action.


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Re: Three Counties Grand Traverse
« Reply #39 on: September 28, 2021, 12:07:51 pm »
However, I also noted that the Daily Mail reader prefers their measurements in the imperial - a 900 yard sump!  :shrug:

All that wonderful brexit sovereignty coming into play!

Nice article Dave. Was any consideration made to pointing people in a direction towards learning more about caving?
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Re: Three Counties Grand Traverse
« Reply #40 on: September 28, 2021, 12:21:27 pm »
The lowlight was a Brummie giving me s**t about my Lancashire accent. A Brummie.

I can guess who that was. I hope you gave him some abuse back  :lol:

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Re: Three Counties Grand Traverse
« Reply #41 on: September 28, 2021, 12:52:02 pm »

Did anyone actually walk the surface from start to finish? 
Where they tagged & tracked?

Nobody planned to walk the surface route, the divers were tracked by teams entering various entrances along the way.

However (correct me if I'm wrong Chunky) I'm fairly sure the photography teams will have done it - as they saw them off at the start, then met them in Notts Pott along the way, then walked over to Shuttleworth to meet them, then Mistral, then walked up to Top Sink for the grand exit.

In fact, Team Burkey's Bitches probably walked further than the length of the system as, in the 4am darkness, they missed Top Sink and ended up a few hundred metres further up the beck than they were supposed to! The welcoming party had to flash lights at them across the fell to try and get them back so they didn't miss the divers' exit.

Burkey's Bitches drove along from cave to cave Masongill for the send off-> Leck for Notts-> Bull Pot Farm for the rest.

Think walking in between really would have finished them off. I was very fortunate to have been a member of BB for the Notts trip, and that was enough to send me packing.
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Re: Three Counties Grand Traverse
« Reply #42 on: September 28, 2021, 01:07:26 pm »
Burkey's Bitches drove along from cave to cave Masongill for the send off-> Leck for Notts-> Bull Pot Farm for the rest.

Think walking in between really would have finished them off. I was very fortunate to have been a member of BB for the Notts trip, and that was enough to send me packing.

Ahh fair enough Josh - I saw Bartek set off from Notts 2 to Shuttleworth and assumed Team BB had been doing the same. Mixing up my photographers!
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Re: Three Counties Grand Traverse
« Reply #43 on: September 28, 2021, 01:16:31 pm »
Bartek did the most walking. He would have parked up for Notts2 on Leck, then walked to Shuttleworth and then to Mistral.

The one thing you can count 100% on is my caving alzheimer's. It's been several years since I've done topsink and I managed to walk a good way up the Beck with George before being called back. I had comedy sketch visions of everyone with their back to topsink yelling and waving at us whilst Jason, Chris and Beardy emerged wondering what was going on

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« Reply #44 on: September 28, 2021, 02:59:32 pm »
I was with Bartek and Paulina. We drove up to the Lost John's parking spot before walking to Shuttleworth, but we then did walk on to Mistral and then back to the cars, via Shuttleworth,, because we'd left some stuff there. I must say Bartek's routefinding was spot on.

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Re: Three Counties Grand Traverse
« Reply #45 on: September 29, 2021, 05:57:26 pm »
There is a prophetic article “The Three Counties System” by Dave Brook in ULSA Review 3 pp 15-19 from September 1968 which presages the link ups to 2011 and this splendid traverse ten years on again.

Just need to tie in Kingdale now to open up some even more exciting traverse possibilities like Yordas - Top Sink or Brown Hill - Top Sink or even from Chapel-le-Dale to Easegill.

 I bet it doesn’t take another 50 years.

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Re: Three Counties Grand Traverse
« Reply #46 on: September 30, 2021, 09:06:09 am »
It's an epic achievement as I have think I said elsewhere, the dry caving alone would be very difficult, which got me thinking...

Being a none diver, it would be good to replicate the trip in a dry caving way, my suggestion would be...

Large to Ireby then walk across the fell to...
Notts2 through Lost Johns to Deaths Head then short walk to...
Pip and out Top sink

No sumps but lots of extra up pitches (Deaths and Ireby)!

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Re: Three Counties Grand Traverse
« Reply #47 on: September 30, 2021, 09:40:38 am »
Surely you should pop down Notts on your walk from Ireby to Notts2?

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« Reply #48 on: September 30, 2021, 09:47:08 am »
Did they pass by Notts then, I guess they would, I forgot Ireby Sump is partly up the wall of the last big pitch and then drop down those two short pitches. That would make things a lot harder adding Notts to it.
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« Reply #49 on: September 30, 2021, 10:10:33 am »
Just in time, eh? By which I mean that after weeks with little rain, the weather has finally broken and a wet weekend is predicted, which could have made things awkward had it being scheduled for the comiing weekend.

 

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