P
Paul_L
Guest
Where is the delete thread button when you need it?
P
Paul_L
Guest
What's in a name? that which we call a rose, by any other name would smell as sweet.
What matters is what something is, not what it is called.
What matters is what something is, not what it is called.
graham said:
I take your point...
A brief inspection of the literature indicates that it was named The Pit in 1940, when it was discovered; in 1952 when Underground Adventure was written; in 1959 when Pennine Underground was published; in 1964 when David Heap's book was published; in 1967 when ULSA published their West Kingsdale survey, and 1983 when Northern Caves was first published (and in later editions).
The Selected Caves book refers to it as Bobs Pit, that with the CRO entry and other people suggesting that is its name points to the fact it has become a common (errornous) name.. Should we leave it and let people use either name or try to set about educating people in calling it by the name which it was orginally given?
P
Paul_L
Guest
graham said:
Imperator Gaius Iulius Caesar Divus would agree with you.
Speleodroid
Member
Paul_L said:
This has reminded me of something I need to go and do....
Shall let you know description & tackle (rope) requirements when I have them (possibly when its a little drier!)
M
MSD
Guest
Ok, here is the story. One fine morning MSD went caving with his son (who shall remain anonymous). We chose a pull-through down Simpsons. We were in something of a hurry, because we had to be down in Cambridge late that afternoon. To cut a long story short, we (like a lot of other people have done in the past) abseiled down the blind pit and pulled the rope down. Since I was the "experienced man" who went first AND pulled the rope down, one could say that the blame was mine.
I have therefore had a very good look at the continuation. Yes, it is possible to abseil down, but it is tight and right in the water. More importantly there is not really a very good belay.
So...to avoid embarassment, getting freezing cold etc. I elected to free climb back up the pitch, which is about 11m high I believe. If you are ever in the position of having to do this then:
a) You need pretty long legs because it's necessary to do some very wide bridging
b) You can use your petzl stop as a runner in a crack part way up. It jammed pefectly and I think it would have held a fall.
c) Do NOT attempt to climb directly up near the top. It's much easier and safer to climb into the alcove to the right (facing where the P-bolts are). You can then arrange a second really good runner around a large thread which protects the final moves over the lip of the pitch.
d) Think twice about doing it! It's a pretty serious climb.
Given that I was wearing wellington boots, climbing in the dark with water running down the walls and improvising the protection, I graded this climb as about HVS. I tried to enter it into the new routes book at Inglesport, but they all just laughed at me. I suppose I deserved some scorn and ridicule.
You might think this story has a happy ending, but it doesn't. We then proceded to get one of the ropes stuck on Slit Pot and as additional punishment for my misdeeds I had to climb up the pitch again to free it. By then we were so late that we had no chance of making it to Cambridge in time.
Mark
I have therefore had a very good look at the continuation. Yes, it is possible to abseil down, but it is tight and right in the water. More importantly there is not really a very good belay.
So...to avoid embarassment, getting freezing cold etc. I elected to free climb back up the pitch, which is about 11m high I believe. If you are ever in the position of having to do this then:
a) You need pretty long legs because it's necessary to do some very wide bridging
b) You can use your petzl stop as a runner in a crack part way up. It jammed pefectly and I think it would have held a fall.
c) Do NOT attempt to climb directly up near the top. It's much easier and safer to climb into the alcove to the right (facing where the P-bolts are). You can then arrange a second really good runner around a large thread which protects the final moves over the lip of the pitch.
d) Think twice about doing it! It's a pretty serious climb.
Given that I was wearing wellington boots, climbing in the dark with water running down the walls and improvising the protection, I graded this climb as about HVS. I tried to enter it into the new routes book at Inglesport, but they all just laughed at me. I suppose I deserved some scorn and ridicule.
You might think this story has a happy ending, but it doesn't. We then proceded to get one of the ropes stuck on Slit Pot and as additional punishment for my misdeeds I had to climb up the pitch again to free it. By then we were so late that we had no chance of making it to Cambridge in time.
Mark
