Carlswark's Hidden Secrets...

[pisshead]

It looks from your superimposed survey that a vocal/light connection is highly unlikely! That's a shame.

 

[Pipster]

True, and althought the two caves may lie close together, they both seem to be trending back into the hillside and not directly towards each other, so any connection between the two may require even more digging then previously thought.    There again, yah never know; it could easily hit a fault/vein and change into a more desirable direction.

 

[caverholic]

From the looks of it clog chamber where we found all the mining is quite close to fireset mine might be worth a quick gander down there.

 

[Pipster]

From the looks of it clog chamber where we found all the mining is quite close to fireset mine might be worth a quick gander down there.

Yeah I noticed that too. I don't know anything about Fireset Mine although but it does seem to be incredibly close to Clog Passage - just a matter of meters in fact. If it were to connect it would completely bypass Porth Crawl. I'm pretty sure the diggers of Flower Pot would have taken a look at Fireset as it looks like an obvious choice (glancing at the survey at least), so maybe it was a no-goer.

A while ago I was having a rummage around the area in question and found an entrance to something. If you were facing up the road to Eyam, there was a short scramble up the bank to left the of the road, where at the base of a small crag there was and mined low (flat-out I think) crawl. I seem to remember cool air suggesting some distance, and I think there was a load of all old spoil just down the slope. Not sure if that was part of Fireset or not, as when I checked COTPD I recall it mentioned an entrance shaft. Maybe that was just inside, which would make sense as somehow its gotta go down to get back underneath the road. Does that sound familiar to anyone? I suspect it wasn't Fireset and might be the other separate system which can be seen near the middle of Rob's superimposed map, which [the passage] doesn't appear to have a name!

Flower Pot : Where does that tie in?

I found the answer to this in another thread : http://ukcaving.com/board/index.php/topic,1237.0.html

 

[martinm]

It's no wonder you're all confused! That first survey of Dynamite (also the one used in the monitoring form at the moment) is incorrectly labelled,  the second at least has Falls Chamber right, but... here is a portion of a photocopy of the original survey of Carlswark / Dynamite Series from the 1970's and published in an EPC journal around then:-

I have added new labels alongside some of the originals to make it clearer, though there are one or two bits I still can't quite make out. You'll notice that I added the rough route of the road to it and Picnic Passage is further down Final Aven than on Rob's survey.

This is the survey we used when we were pushing Picnic Passage in 1985. Needless to say we didn't get lost as it's a lot more helpful than the current one!  Haven't actually been in Falls Chamber though...

 

[AndyF]

Flower Pot comes in here...

Not sure it hasnt "squashed" in a bit as the plastic drums have deformed

It provides a short cut to Porth crawl, avoiding the first couple of squeezes in dynamite series

 

[Pipster]

Martinm & Andy F - Thanks very much! That certainly clears up all the confusion!
Those pesky miss-labelled surveys hehe  : I'll hunt down that EPC journal and have a look. 

Looking forward to going back!

Do you think there is any possibility of a connection between Clog Passage and Fireset?

 

[AndyF]

Hmmm firest shaft.....  at the end of the level at the bottom, there is a timbered shaft down to a choke, there is possibly a backfilled/collapsed passge joing them (another through trip  )

Where you meet the shaft from the narrow level, the wall of mud/deads on the left draughts if you stick your finger through the mud curtain. Poor stacking space, but you could fill the timbered shaft up. Interesting place.....