Cave Dale Graffiti

pwhole

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Saw this walking up Cave Dale yesterday afternoon, on the cliff directly opposite the castle. We weren't in a position to clean this one off, and as it's outdoors, it's outside my jurisdiction. Anyway, this is Duchy of Lancaster land, so they can easily send up a manservant to do it. But pretty grim all the same - over a metre wide.

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pwhole

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Pindale Quarry today. The Pindale Scrins, a Scheduled Ancient Monument, are also steadily being destroyed by dirt-bikers, quads and large jeeps :mad:

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pwhole

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There's also a shitload of discarded growroom rubbish at the top of the track near the edge of the cement quarry - clay pebbles, plastic plumbing and pump bits, old fan fragments etc. Oh, and loads of pressed asbestos roofing pieces. Several fires have been recently built too. As this is on private land, there's not a lot the council can do, although I think 'Pindale Road' may still be classed a a 'highway', in which case it could be passed on to Derbyshire Council, but I suspect they may try and avoid it - perhaps the asbestos might swing it, dunno. I might try reporting it and see what happens. As we drove down, the bikers were riding all over the excavated How Grove mine site.

Long-term I don't know what could be done to protect it any longer, other than offensive methods. Hard to stop bikers, other than by throwing rocks at them. The landowner has been trying to flog the land for ages, but anyone else buying it would have to deal with this lot, and at the price they want, no-one's ever going to buy it. Amazing this situation exists really, in a country (supposedly) as wealthy and advanced as this one. It's like Planet of the Apes.
 

Loki

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Why do we want to protect a site of previous environmental destruction? Put some effort into not digging holes in first place.
 

pwhole

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Let's also not forget that the Pindale Scrins (background, second photo) are authentic medieval lead mines, and have been a Scheduled Monument for years, not that anyone would know - or enforce it. If this were somewhere more visible, some folks would be going berserk at the destruction that's taking place. There are known phreatic caves and pipe-workings within the quarry site too. The landowner wants £250,000 for the site and won't budge, despite planning permission for their business plans being refused outright, otherwise it would have been purchased by others to protect it by now. It's worth about a tenth of that in reality.

PDMHS, under the direction of John Barnatt and Jim Rieuwerts, spent literally years on an archaeological excavation and preservation of the How Grove mine site just up the hill, with paved crushing circles, coes, ore bins, etc., and it is all being destroyed in the pursuit of pretty pathetic machismo. Trying to negotiate with four or more boz-eyed male weirdos with large quad-bikes and jeeps up there is asking for a beating - I've been threatened before when photographing number-plates. God knows what the folks at Black Rabbit Cottage think, as this carnival literally goes past their house every couple of hours, every day. If it weren't illegal I would definitely be setting traps.
 

AR

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What's happened to the fencing around How Grove? PDNPA fenced the important bits off a few years back, after the previous bout of offroader trashing
 

pwhole

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Can't say I noticed any fencing if I'm honest. They were all over Moss Rake East quarry again too on Sunday.
 

AR

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I'll try and get over that way this weekend and see - will certainly raise the Scrins with PDNPA and HE again, since the boulder "fence" clearly hasn't worked, ditto How Grove if the fence has been pulled down. If the latter has been trashed by offroaders I will be seeking the blessing of PDMHS council to go to the media...
 
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