Cave Spiders in Hospital

Pipster

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From: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cambridgeshire/6061706.stm

About 100 rare spiders are being moved to a new home after being discovered on a derelict site earmarked for housing.

The cave spiders had taken over a disused air raid shelter near Papworth Hospital.

South Cambridgeshire District Council ecology officer Rob Mungovan said the shelter mimics conditions of a cave.

The spiders are being moved one by one because they are likely to eat each other if they were all moved together as they are highly predatory.

The spiders have only been found in a dozen places in the UK and never recorded before in Cambridgeshire.

A South Cambridgeshire District Council spokesman said the spiders are to be put in separate boxes and moved to a new shelter on the other side of the hospital.

It makes you wonder how they got there in the first place?
 

AndyF

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Wonder what variety they were. Went to a talk on cave spiders this year, it was very interesting.

A survey had been done in a mine in Via Gellia, mapping them all out.

I've got a bunch of them in my outhouse...
 

AndyF

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Pipster said:
A survey had been done in a mine in Via Gellia, mapping them all out.

hehe, what each spider mapped on a survey? so what happens when one eats another?

Well, shockingly yes, exactly that. They mapped out species and sexs of spiders (don't ask, I don't know) to try to work out when they "did it" and layed eggs. They were able to prove that this particular spider bred in autumn and layed eggs over the Winter, rather than the "text book" version that says they bred in spring (or smoehting like that) They also mapped out the distance from the entrance to prove when they hibernated which was also wrong in the text book.

It was painstaking work, involving a trip every week for two years, measuring and looking for spiders. The photos were excellent, I was well impressed....
 
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andymorgan

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Pipster said:
It makes you wonder how they got there in the first place?

A very good point actually, they must be able to migrate over large distances, unless they were much more common in the past iand are now restricted to a few refuges.
 

Slug

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I've just watched a report on Anglia T.V., They were moved earlier today,( By some braver people than Me.  :eek: ).
75 of the buggers were removed, plus a few egg sacks. The developers have consructed a new "Air Raid Shelter" for'em all to live in, where they'll be monitored by Cambridgeshire wildlife bod's.........But How DID They get there?   
 

Elaine

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andymorgan said:
Pipster said:
It makes you wonder how they got there in the first place?

A very good point actually, they must be able to migrate over large distances, unless they were much more common in the past iand are now restricted to a few refuges.

It would only take one pregnant female to stow away in the boot of someones car and they'd soon set up a colony somewhere new.
 

Slug

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Slug said:
I've just watched a report on Anglia T.V., They were moved earlier today,( By some braver people than Me.  :eek: ).
75 of the buggers were removed, plus a few egg sacks. The developers have consructed a new "Air Raid Shelter" for'em all to live in, where they'll be monitored by Cambridgeshire wildlife bod's.........But How DID They get there?   

Correction 750.  :eek:
 

Les W

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Meta Minardi only spend pert of their life underground, they then leave and travel great distances on the wind with a silk thread "parachute" before finding a suitable site some years later where they breed and reproduce underground.

There waas an extremely interesting talk at the cave science symposium in bristol, some years back.  (y)

I would guess that was how these particular spiders managed to populate the shelter even if they are not meta minardi.  ;)

You can easily sex spiders as the males are generally much smaller than females. Some spiders also make excellent parents and remain near the eggs until they hatch, protecting them from predators.  ;)
 

AndyF

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Anne said:
It would only take one pregnant female to stow away in the boot of someones car and they'd soon set up a colony somewhere new.

Just like Liverpudlian teenagers then..... ;)

 

Pipster

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Just like Liverpudlian teenagers then.....

:LOL:

Yeahs some interesting stuff...
They also mapped out the distance from the entrance to prove when they hibernated which was also wrong in the text book.
...so I assume they moved further into the cave while hibernating?
 

whitelackington

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:eek:
Those Meta menardi are a lot more common than u think.
First thing I noticed when I discovered Canada Combe Cave,
Hutton, North Somerset was them, great big cave spiders with their huge egg sacks.
They seem to like warm dry, none draughty caves on Mendip,
I expect there are far fewer up North as they are cold, wet & draughty. :yucky:
 

Pipster

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Meta Menardi: http://www.nicksspiders.com/nicksspiders/metamenardi.htm

Yup seen plenty of them in Stoney Middleton  :)

Amazing to think that they create a silk "parachute". Infact I think I've seen something similiar on a tv documentary where the spider casts a really long thread of silk which is then picked up by the wind. The spider can be transported over a huge distance. Thats probably how they ended up at the old air raid shelter at the hospital.

I'd imagine it'd be a bit like a 5 year old kid flying the worlds largest kite on an incredibly windy day; pot luck where he ends up.  ;)
 

Katie

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I had a little look at the soney middleton Meta spiders last year.
We found that abundance of individuals peaked about 5 metres into an entrance and became to steadily decrease.
We also found abunadance was highest with high temperature and high humidity.
 

Les W

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Pipster said:
Amazing to think that they create a silk "parachute". Infact I think I've seen something similiar on a tv documentary where the spider casts a really long thread of silk which is then picked up by the wind. The spider can be transported over a huge distance. Thats probably how they ended up at the old air raid shelter at the hospital.
Thats exactly what they do (Meta Menardi that is, I don't know what spiders are in the shelter in Cambridge)  :)

 

Mark

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Slug said:
  The developers have consructed a new "Air Raid Shelter" for'em all to live in, where they'll be monitored by Cambridgeshire wildlife bod's

The worlds gone mad
 
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