Caves of the Peak District (Barker and Beck)
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AR
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2xw said:
Delights of Carlswark? With apologies to the ghost of Wilfred Owen....
Bent double, like silly beggars under tacklesacks,
Scrape-kneed, coughing like hags, we crawled through sludge,
Till on the sharp-edged stones we turned our backs,
And towards our distant pint began to trudge.
Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots,
But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind;
Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
Of bad guffs dropping softly behind.
Cave_Troll
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I think i've got a copy of all the COtPD and the previous versions of COD
benshannon
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I got caves of the peak district over Christmas from ebay. its the 1991 print. im enjoying reading it and using it. just curious. how out of date is it? should I save up and get the new one or is this still relevant?
Mark Wright
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benshannon said:
28 years out of date, though it does have some excellent references.
The last edition is 8 years out of date but still well worth purchasing. The discovery of the White River Series of Peak Cavern only just made it into the 1991 edition. There have been some pretty major discoveries since then, Titan being just one of them. Nearly 0.5km of new cave in Rowter Hole will have to wait for the next edition.
I always use a combination of all the guidebooks when researching new projects.
With the help of our regular diggers, divers and climbers, we can ensure the next edition will be out of date as soon as it is published.
Mark
Pete K
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Probably a few years off yet. The DCA Cave Registry now exists to be an up to the minute 'guide book' but it does need populating with more descriptions and rigging guides. DCA would welcome volunteers to write more content for the Registry, or those with material already written or drawn to allow DCA to publish their work on the Registry.
A new book will come in time, but we've still got a few hundred of the current one to sell first.
A new book will come in time, but we've still got a few hundred of the current one to sell first.
Don't forget that ALL caving guide books are automatically out of date even before they are printed. You can guarantee that someone will make a really great discovery just after the final version has gone to the printers.
But, hey, that's as it should be! It would be very dull if we ever had a completely up-to-date guide book because there have been no new discoveries.
Pete is quite right about the Derbyshire Cave Registry information on the DCA website being the "up-to-date guide book". But you can't read that in bed - nor take it with you when you are flogging up a hillside looking for the right hole. So there will be a new CoPD sometime but it will be a few years yet so you've plenty of time to make more discoveries.
But, hey, that's as it should be! It would be very dull if we ever had a completely up-to-date guide book because there have been no new discoveries.
Pete is quite right about the Derbyshire Cave Registry information on the DCA website being the "up-to-date guide book". But you can't read that in bed - nor take it with you when you are flogging up a hillside looking for the right hole. So there will be a new CoPD sometime but it will be a few years yet so you've plenty of time to make more discoveries.
martinb
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Sorry, wasn't being sarcastic in the slightest! :-[
However, if Pete is looking for someone to add text, etc to the Registry, I am happy to take one step forward and volunteer. I'm obviously not local anymore (now located about 25km from Utah Beach!), but I am familiar with COPD and Derbyshire caves, soooo........ :hug:
However, if Pete is looking for someone to add text, etc to the Registry, I am happy to take one step forward and volunteer. I'm obviously not local anymore (now located about 25km from Utah Beach!), but I am familiar with COPD and Derbyshire caves, soooo........ :hug:
al
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Jenny P said:
Oh yes you can - both my phone and my tablet work in bed or even underground, although for the latter I need to ensure that the info I'll need is cached prior to going under.
But don't get me wrong - I've a whole shelf full of old and new caving guides which I still refer to and read. And I'm still eagerly awaiting Iain Barker's second volume of Classic Caves of the Peak District - I find great inspiration from volume one!!
andrewmcleod
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droid said:
Books aren't waterproof
2xw
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Jenny P said:
It's legal under fair dealing as long as you aren't sharing it - if it doesn't harm the copyright owner (and it doesn't because you have bought the book but just can't take it underground). There are limits to this but I can't imagine any of them would apply to taking laminated bits underground.
Sharing with others is different although I guess at the library you'll have a far better idea than me!
andrewmcleod
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Jenny P said:
These days many (most?) phones are waterproof. Mine ends up coming caving with me quite often anyway, albeit in a Pelicase, as I often use it to help find the cave. I normally have at least one laminate stuffed down my oversuit top though.