Mrs Trellis
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Stunning photos of a superb effort.
well done chaps.
well done chaps.
Eldon Hole - Trip Report
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Bottlebank
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You seem to be slacking a little, otherwise you wouldn't have had time to take all those photos 
Mark Wright
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Pipster,
The more the merrier.
We have regular trips on both Tuesday and Thursday evenings meeting at the car park up Eldon Lane at around 7.15pm on Tuesday and 6.30pm on Thursday.
There will also be a big trip this coming Saturday, meeting at 10am.
Mark
The more the merrier.
We have regular trips on both Tuesday and Thursday evenings meeting at the car park up Eldon Lane at around 7.15pm on Tuesday and 6.30pm on Thursday.
There will also be a big trip this coming Saturday, meeting at 10am.
Mark
Mark R
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Can anyone identify either horse or cow from that photo?
Also, does anyone know of a way of getting both the bones and the hat dated?
Please leave the hat where it is for now, it's extremely delicate and i'd like to try and arrange a more permanent home for it before trying to transport it out. on that note- anyone have any ideas for museums etc that may be interested??
Also, does anyone know of a way of getting both the bones and the hat dated?
Please leave the hat where it is for now, it's extremely delicate and i'd like to try and arrange a more permanent home for it before trying to transport it out. on that note- anyone have any ideas for museums etc that may be interested??
Speleotron
Member
You could have the hat carbon dated as its leather, but I heard somewhere that if samples are waterlogged for a long time it isnt too accurate (might not be right though not an expert)
AR
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Both the bones and the hat could potentially be carbon dated but now they've been moved there's the possibility of contamination which would affect the date, plus there's the cost of the dating - it would be somewhere in the region of ?150-?200 per test.
Regarding the bones, I'd say they're more likely to be cow; if you look at the posted skull pictures you can see the vestigal canines on the horse (known as wolf teeth) though not all horses have these, and the jawbones found don't look to have them. I think it's far more likely that cattle thought to have died from something infectious would have been disposed of down the hole in the past than horses.
Regarding the hat, how waterlogged was the surrounding fill? I'd suggest that rather than just leaving it sat on one side, it should be put in a sealed container to prevent further drying out/degeneration. Might be worth having a word with Buxton Museum about it too.
Regarding the bones, I'd say they're more likely to be cow; if you look at the posted skull pictures you can see the vestigal canines on the horse (known as wolf teeth) though not all horses have these, and the jawbones found don't look to have them. I think it's far more likely that cattle thought to have died from something infectious would have been disposed of down the hole in the past than horses.
Regarding the hat, how waterlogged was the surrounding fill? I'd suggest that rather than just leaving it sat on one side, it should be put in a sealed container to prevent further drying out/degeneration. Might be worth having a word with Buxton Museum about it too.
Mrs Trellis
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Re walling stone - I'm sure a) I've read somewhere that at least three walls have descended the hole and b) I've seen a photo of a wall at Eldon with a door in it to admit the paying public. (Possibly one of those historical b/w books they sell in Castleton Visitor Centre)
Mark Wright
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From the old records we have it is suggested that when there was a wall around it the farmer had to replace it every +/- 7 years!! I've not seen anything regarding the public paying to see the cave though.
Mark
Mark
graham
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According to the wife, who is a museum curator, there is a costume museum near Ashbourne. http://www.hopehousemuseum.co.uk/ I suggest that you contact them.
alastairgott
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Yes there is a hat huseum in stockport, the chimney is the view out of the window in my office.
I'll pop in and ask tomorrow, you're right, they might be able to help. I'll ask if there is a better place for it, maybe castleton visitors centre?
I'll pop in and ask tomorrow, you're right, they might be able to help. I'll ask if there is a better place for it, maybe castleton visitors centre?
alastairgott
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I thought i'd seen it somewhere...
Could just be a coincidence and there are probably quite a few hats in there, but...
Descent (150) oct/nov 1999
Gives an article about the Explorers of Eldon Hole. (pg. 26-27)
on page 27 in the middle column is a short exert, which begins 3 lines up from the bottom.
"when a man in ascending, dropped his cap into the hole, our friend shouted a rigmarole, of which the only words we could catch were: 'winterbottom - coming up the hole - cut - his head', 'cut his head?' we enquired sympathetically, and a wrathful shout was the reply.....somebody upstairs came to the rescue, and explained that the word was 'cap' and not 'cut', and our fear of a sanguinary accident was relieved"
Could this be Mr Winterbottom's hat?
Also, this article gives some pictures of the use of the bosun's chair, and one of the several walls which have been seen around eldon in years past.
Could just be a coincidence and there are probably quite a few hats in there, but...
Descent (150) oct/nov 1999
Gives an article about the Explorers of Eldon Hole. (pg. 26-27)
on page 27 in the middle column is a short exert, which begins 3 lines up from the bottom.
"when a man in ascending, dropped his cap into the hole, our friend shouted a rigmarole, of which the only words we could catch were: 'winterbottom - coming up the hole - cut - his head', 'cut his head?' we enquired sympathetically, and a wrathful shout was the reply.....somebody upstairs came to the rescue, and explained that the word was 'cap' and not 'cut', and our fear of a sanguinary accident was relieved"
Could this be Mr Winterbottom's hat?
Also, this article gives some pictures of the use of the bosun's chair, and one of the several walls which have been seen around eldon in years past.
alastairgott
Well-known member
not sure about copywrite and that (as you can still buy it on the wild places website for ?5.75...), I'd be more than happy though.
It's not my copy of descent so can't scrunch it up and lob it in my bike bag to copy at work... so i'll have to wait until benfool is back and ask him to scan and post.
It's not my copy of descent so can't scrunch it up and lob it in my bike bag to copy at work... so i'll have to wait until benfool is back and ask him to scan and post.