Grouse shooting same as other sports

[Fjell]

There was a strange focus on taking 30 people grouse shooting, when a slightly more obvious interpretation was 2 x 15 = 30. A matter of staggering importance to some from experience.

 

[mikem]

A union match without a referee or linesmen - they haven't quite thought it through... (League is okay though, but not Aussie Rules)

 

[JoshW]

There was a strange focus on taking 30 people grouse shooting, when a slightly more obvious interpretation was 2 x 15 = 30. A matter of staggering importance to some from experience.

Having never been grouse shooting, you might need to fill in the blanks here, what's the significance of 2x15=30?

 

[Fulk]

It strikes me that it?s not the actual shooting that?s the problem (well, apart, that is, for from the grouses? point of view, of course), but the socializing that goes with it. I once went to photograph a shoot and it wasn?t just the post-shoot celebrations, but the pre-shoot breakfast ? which included champagne!!

?Couple of glasses of champers, old boy, before you set off with that lethal bit of kit under your arm, eh what??

 

[Bob Mehew]

A union match without a referee or linesmen - they haven't quite thought it through... (League is okay though, but not Aussie Rules)

I am getting it checked but I don't think there is a 30 limit for sports gatherings, just weddings and such like.  Though I can see that it might be difficult to justify even 7 if they are in a small room with no ventilation.

 

[mikem]

15 has nothing to do with shooting or hunting (see my other post).

Fulk - that's why they are positioned so they can only shoot the drivers, not each other!

Bob seems to be right about number not applying to sports:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-guidance-on-phased-return-of-sport-and-recreation/return-to-recreational-team-sport-framework

 

[Fjell]

There was a strange focus on taking 30 people grouse shooting, when a slightly more obvious interpretation was 2 x 15 = 30. A matter of staggering importance to some from experience.

Having never been grouse shooting, you might need to fill in the blanks here, what's the significance of 2x15=30?

 

[JoshW]

There was a strange focus on taking 30 people grouse shooting, when a slightly more obvious interpretation was 2 x 15 = 30. A matter of staggering importance to some from experience.

Having never been grouse shooting, you might need to fill in the blanks here, what's the significance of 2x15=30?

I assumed you were referring to grouse shooting needing 2x15.. realistically though you're going to have another half a dozen subs on each side, plus ref, plus coaches, suddenly the number is far greater than 30 for a game of rugger.

I get the reasoning behind allowing people to get out and do sports, but nobody playing amateur league sports can seriously expect this season to finish.

If one person gets tested positively, anyone they've played against in the previous two weeks needs to self isolate, and their team then can't play for the next two weeks. Basically most of a league at a standstill for a month. And that's not taking into account if the person who tests positively plays for a club with multiple teams training together, and then you have multiple leagues at a standstill from just one person testing positively.

 

[prahja]

The thing I dont understand is that getting p*ssed and then shooting a load of innocent animals in a huge group is fine but cycling with six others (even if organised) is banned !

 

[crickleymal]

The thing I dont understand is that getting p*ssed and then shooting a load of innocent animals in a huge group is fine but cycling with six others (even if organised) is banned !

Probably because one of Bozo's mates and a tory party donor owns a grouse moor or two.

 

[mikem]

British cycling is on the "phased return of sport" link I posted above, so don't know why they aren't on the other. But shooting is a business that won't pay for itself in small numbers, so no surprise there.

 

[Fjell]

The thing I dont understand is that getting p*ssed and then shooting a load of innocent animals in a huge group is fine but cycling with six others (even if organised) is banned !

Probably because one of Bozo's mates and a tory party donor owns a grouse moor or two.

One of the boarding houses at the school near us allegedly owns a grouse moor. Not sure if it feeds them. And I have yet to discover if it has any useful caves on it. Although they did used to take the kids down things like Lost Johns, I?ve seen the video. And that used to be a grouse moor, but seems to be infested with partridges now.

 

[RobinGriffiths]

Probably because one of Bozo's mates and a tory party donor owns a grouse moor or two.

As indeed does Cummings' father in law. Or maybe it's peasants pheasants he shoots at his Chillingham Castle Estate.

 

[royfellows]

 

[pwhole]

I think the event has to be officially licensed. so at last our BCA membership card is useful. 

I've been wondering if ignoring Natural England's demand of not digging in Eldon Hole is one of those specific and limited laws that it is now OK to break.

What do you reckon?

I didn't know NE had blocked Eldon Hole digging!

It was Historic England who asked for it to stop, to be fair - I was at the Underground Conservation Forum (Derbyshire) meeting where it was discussed. Which, incidentally, is a critical resource, as it gets interested cavers and the relevant experts and authorities together in one room with tea and biscuits to formulate future policy. Not bad considering they're government agencies, but not many people ever go, which is a shame, as you get to help decide what happens. Obviously suspended at present, but I don't see why we can't move that online too. I don't think Natural England had any specific objections, under their remit at least, but for the sake of good relations, etc. etc. DCA had planned a winch trip down there for them this summer, and at least two of the HE staff, the area manager and an archaeologist, had bravely agreed to do it, but then we all know what happened to this summer's plans. It hasn't technically been cancelled, just postponed...

Anyway, grouse. I don't really have a strong opinion on the morals of it, but I suspect part of the reason is less to do with poncey privelege and more to do with the fact that everyone's spaced well apart and outdoors on a windy hillside. Unlike many caves, which seem far more of a risk for large groups to me, despite my enjoyment of it. It's not 'outdoors', that is for sure.

 

[owd git]

If grouse shooting affects the vulture I've been watching lately, grouse shooters will be MY prey thereafter! in a vegetarian way, of course. (i'll just not eat the corpses) 

 

[AR]

Thanks for reminding me Phil, I need to arrange for use of conferencing software through the DCA next month for a virtual UCF meeting...

 

[Mark Wright]

It was Historic England who asked for it to stop, to be fair - I was at the Underground Conservation Forum (Derbyshire) meeting where it was discussed. Which, incidentally, is a critical resource, as it gets interested cavers and the relevant experts and authorities together in one room with tea and biscuits to formulate future policy. Not bad considering they're government agencies, but not many people ever go, which is a shame, as you get to help decide what happens. Obviously suspended at present, but I don't see why we can't move that online too. I don't think Natural England had any specific objections, under their remit at least, but for the sake of good relations, etc. etc. DCA had planned a winch trip down there for them this summer, and at least two of the HE staff, the area manager and an archaeologist, had bravely agreed to do it, but then we all know what happened to this summer's plans. It hasn't technically been cancelled, just postponed...

Hysterical England. My mistake. Thanks for clarifying that Phil. There are so many of these groups and organisations it's easy to lose track.

Mark

 

[droid]

t's not 'outdoors', that is for sure.

Well that's buggered the CRoW argument...

 

[pwhole]

I was waiting for that one