Hidden in plain sight

[Rachel]

Following on from the thread about tat left at Yordas middle entrance, I had a walk up there yesterday out of curiosity, having never noticed a drilled thread. Sure enough, there it was.

I also spent years wondering why the top of the 2nd pitch in Bull Pot was such a long reach, until one day I noticed a drilled thread only visible from the wrong side.

It got me to wondering what else I've been missing all these years.

 

[topcat]

There is a thread in TWH that I missed until the derig....
A lot of folk are blind to natural s.....

 

[JoshW]

I now have a few carabiners with a couple of metres of dyneema cord on and unless on a proper push, try to find naturals for them, even between bolts, just to get in the practice of looking for naturals, especially if in a new cave to me.

 

[Babyhagrid]

There's a natural on the second pitch of aygill that took me a long while to find (its ok the cncc topo) Turned out to be a meter or so above my head.

 

[hannahb]

I would love to know where the deviation is for the "normal" Dollytubs pitch. I have failed to find it many times.

 

[hannahb]

There's a drilled thread on the left hand side at the top of Mason's Step in Lower Long Churn (when facing down the climb) which makes a useful addition to the big boulder at the back, when belaying people up and down the climb

 

[alanw]

I would love to know where the deviation is for the "normal" Dollytubs pitch. I have failed to find it many times.

Facing out towards Alum Pot, it's on your right: just a large protuberance in an arête that you loop a long sling over. It's quite well offset from the vertical line, which makes using a Pantin difficult once past it. When we did it a couple of weeks ago, the rigger couldn't get the inner end fully settled, I had to adjust it back and down as I came down second.

 

[hannahb]

Thanks alanw. Does it get rid of the rub at the top? Did you rig the pitch from the nearest two bolts, or the further one(s) as shown on the topo?

 

[alanw]

Does it get rid of the rub at the top?

It's quite a long way down, and has no effect until you have passed it.

Did you rig the pitch from the nearest two bolts, or the further one(s) as shown on the topo?

Definitely the further bolts. I'm 6'2" (1.88m) and it was a long reach even for me.

 

[Fulk]

Topcat:

There is a thread in TWH that I missed until the derig....
A lot of folk are blind to natural s.....

Yes, and some balk at them; I've been severely criticized for using a perfectly good 'natural' in lieu of the (extraneous?) bolt.

 

[topcat]

It is really sad to see a bolt next to a natural, and not that uncommon.

 

[Fjell]

Facing out towards Alum Pot, it's on your right: just a large protuberance in an arête that you loop a long sling over. It's quite well offset from the vertical line, which makes using a Pantin difficult once past it. When we did it a couple of weeks ago, the rigger couldn't get the inner end fully settled, I had to adjust it back and down as I came down second.

I tend to rig from the ledge on the right given the number of people who mess around on the normal pitch. Tie to the big column, a P bolt in the roof, and then straight down over the bucket ledge and put in a hanger for a deviation on the opposite wall. Same length of rope. Easier to get on and off and no-one else will rig over you.

 

[IanWalker]

I am an enthusiastic user naturals but have a 'hidden in plain sight question'!

Alum Pot, South East route, lower hang:- where is the thread for the deviation on the lower pitch? See picture below

Myself and partner failed to find it this week - just a rusty spit in the obvious location. Rope rub without it is horrendous.

 

[IanWalker]

If anyone has access to the following Descent article I would be pleased to hear from you

Foster, Steve. 1986. Thoughtful Caving: The Use of Natural Belays in SRT. Descent No. 68, Jan/Feb, pp. 24-26.

 

[IanWalker]

Bull Pot of the Witches; there is a pair of resin anchors in the bedrock in the field some metres outside the enclosure fence

 

[IanWalker]

Cow Pot, after the entrance pitch; there are handy threads above and back from the tube

 

[IanWalker]

Does posting in this thread reduce the joy of finding these naturals? Reduce our ability to search them out? Hmmn

 

[Babyhagrid]

If anyone has access to the following Descent article I would be pleased to hear from you

Foster, Steve. 1986. Thoughtful Caving: The Use of Natural Belays in SRT. Descent No. 68, Jan/Feb, pp. 24-26.

You can request a scan from the British caving library. Mary is very helpful !

 

[Ian P]

Interesting thread !
(See what I did there )

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[Steve Clark]

Inglesport - behind all the Rab jackets there is a flight of stairs….