How Gill Nick

[sambo]

I was walking up near Mossdale Caverns today and came across a large shake hole at How Gill Nick (Grid Ref: 023683). There was a lot of water flowing down one side and furthermore on the other side of the shake hole, there was another dry passage that i uncovered by removing some rocks and pieces of rubbish (no doubt waste from the shooting hut nearby).

Does any one know anything about this pot and whether it goes anywhere? Im hoping that the first passage has not yet been pushed fully and/or the second has not been looked into at all!

I will post pictures when i get the chance.


Sam 

 

[NigR]

Suggest you ask a Mod to transfer this into the Yorkshire section.

 

[Simon Wilson]

It was dug over a long period of time by people who must have had permission. I only say they must have had permission because they used the hut as a bothy (around forty or fifty years ago). I haven't been up to How Gill Nick for a while but from the way you describe it, it sounds as though somebody might have been digging more recently. I used to spend a lot of time poking around in that area and got thrown off by the gamekeeper several times.

That area is probably the area of Britain with the biggest unrealised potential for caves. Because of the difficulty of getting permission most people who cave or dig up there keep quiet about it. However, I know people who have had permission to dig so I'll ask around. I've been meaning to find out how to get permission for a while. Hopefully someone on here will enlighten us.

 

[Lazarus]

The White Rose Pothole Club had a hand in it; S.Warren mentioned on the 1991 survey which came from their 2001 journal.

 

[paul]

Suggest you ask a Mod to transfer this into the Yorkshire section.

[gmod]Done as suggested. The post was not about Digging specifically, but about a location in Yorkshire where some digging has taken place.[/gmod]

 

[Simon Wilson]

Survey

http://www.white-rose.org.uk/docs/surveys/Surveys_For_Website/How%20Gill%20Nick.pdf

 

[sambo]

Thanks for the info guys that was really helpful!

I'll probably go back when i am more suitably dressed and have a proper look. i especially want to have a look at the west side of the pothole where the dry passage is.

Thanks again

Sam

 

[Simon Beck]

I have PM'ed you Sambo!..

 

[richardg]

For those cavers with an interest in the area, past and present, they will realize the potentially acute nature of this thread.
Simon has sent a PM to the originator of the thread and I have asked the moderator to take it down..

If anyone has a genuine interest in this site then either Simon or I can deal with it through the PM system....

Richard Gibson.

 

[sambo]

Hi Richard

I have spoken with Simon and I also now understand what your getting at in regards to digging in that area. I think it would be a good idea to remove this this thread as you have said.

Thanks for the quick responses guys.

Sam

 

[Simon Wilson]

We are all sensible adults, we all know that the area we are talking about is a very sensitive area and that we need to respect the users of that land. But it is all Access Land and the gamekeeper that has thrown me off in the past cannot do that now. There is nothing to stop anybody walking about up there, poking about, surveying and (in the present opinion of DEFRA for what that is worth) entering "open caves and potholes".

Why all this cloak and dagger attitude? If you know something about getting permission then why not just say it in public?

It's funny how so many threads turn to CROW.

 

[martinr]

.... it is all Access Land ...There is nothing to stop anybody walking about up there, poking about, surveying ....

Honest question: Does CROW include  "poking about" and  "surveying"? Are these activites Open Air Recreations?

 

[Simon Wilson]

.... it is all Access Land ...There is nothing to stop anybody walking about up there, poking about, surveying ....

Honest question: Does CROW include  "poking about" and  "surveying"? Are these activites Open Air Recreations?

Yes, absolutely. You must not have been following the CRoW discussions or you would know that.

 

[Alex]

Yes I must admit, I don't like the cloak and dagger approach, I am very interested in that area, especially being quite local to me.

 

[Simon Beck]

Who said anything about cloak and dagger anyway?