How long have spits been around?

Pitlamp

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mikem said:
I believe the spits are 12mm, whilst the bolts that fit are 8.

Yes, the self drilling anchor (of which one brand was named as "Spit") requires a 12 mm hole but the bolt which is then screwed in is 8 mm.

Langcliffe's comments about Parba bolts are right.

Interesting comment about the snap off variety - they had a slightly conical extension which was an interference fit in a hole at the end of the main drilling tool. Once the anchor was drilled down as far as a circular groove in the anchor (forming a weak spot), then set by hammering down onto the conical wedge, you knocked the tool sideways and the cone shaped end separated, leaving the anchor ready to screw in the bolt and hanger. You then had to drift out the snapped off part with a separate tool before the drilling tool could be used again to insert the next bolt.

Because these anchors were designed to be snapped off they were made of a rather brittle type of steel. As a result they were notoriously unreliable and sometimes the anchor itself would snap, leading to failure. I once took a big whipper (mid 70s) when leading an aid route in Alum Pot, which eventually led to the discovery of Matthew Coe Chamber and Skyhook Inlet. (The shower of drips from this inlet is the one falling in the area of the Greasy Slab pitch in the open shaft.)

The quarter inch threaded snap off anchors in question had been given to me by Rob Palmer, having come from some dubious source; no CE marks in those days. I fell about 8 m, being stopped by the climbing rope 50 cm above a large pointed boulder. The lifeliner was Gordon Kaye, who was a big lad and I fortunately hadn't managed to pull him up into the air, or I'd have broken my back on said boulder. I seem to remember buying him a pint or two that night.  :beer:

Purely in an attempt to avoid confusion, there was also an anchor available in the 70s called a "Red Head". (I think these may have been made by Hilti?) From memory they accepted a larger bolt (probably 10 mm) so weren't used a great deal by cavers for lightweight applications. Even less certain memory suggests to me the name came from the conical wedge being captive in the end of the anchor and painted red and that these weren't self drillers; you had to drill the hole by some other means.

The name "self drilling" was a bit of a sick joke; these anchors needed a lot of hammering. When climbing avens you had to have both arms above your head to work whilst stood precariously in etriers and it could be very tiring during a long session. In the days before the first cordless drill appeared (mid 80s, Bosch 24VRE) which revolutionised aid climbing, we were hand bolting our way up the massive avens in Peak Cavern's Far Sump Extension. (This was long before the dry way in was established; the only access was by a dive almost a quarter of a mile long.) I have memories of staggering out of Peak after trips lasting round the clock and beyond, with arms dragging along the floor like some exhausted gorilla.
Happy days . . . .  ;)

Going back even further, does anyone remember spending hours (literally) with a lump hammer and a fat star drill, making the large hole needed for a three quarter inch diameter (or even one inch) Rawlbolt? You might literally devote a whole trip just to inserting one belay at a pitch head. The person who invented the cordless drill deserves an O.B.E. as far as I'm concerned!
 

Jenny P

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Going back even further, does anyone remember spending hours (literally) with a lump hammer and a fat star drill, making the large hole needed for a three quarter inch diameter (or even one inch) Rawlbolt? You might literally devote a whole trip just to inserting one belay at a pitch head.

Yes - and I was sitting in a pool of water at the head of the pitch at the time!
 

Fulk

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Going back even further, does anyone remember spending hours (literally) with a lump hammer and a fat star drill, making the large hole needed for a three quarter inch diameter (or even one inch) Rawlbolt? You might literally devote a whole trip just to inserting one belay at a pitch head.

Yep. I remember drilling such a hole at the top of the eponymous Long Drop in Long Drop Hole, hanging my ass out over the pitch at the end of the short crawl while tied on to a rope held by my friend at the other end of the crawl; I seem to  recall that it took ('only') rather more than an hour.
 

Pitlamp

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You are a fast driller Fulk; then again, with a new pitch to explore, I suppose there may have been a sense of urgency!
 

Fulk

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Well, the pitch wasn't new, but there was the possibility of finding something down there.
 

Badlad

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We were given a load of the 'snap off' type of self drillers for an expedition back in the early eighties.  We didn't have the tool to place them as designed so snapped them off in a vice and used a Petzl driver to place them.  This worked ok, and there are a few around the Dales still, but the jagged edge that was left from snapping them off soon ruined the end of the driver.  They lasted for decades and I probably still have a few somewhere as they were not too popular and only used when other 'proper' ones had run out.

Thank the lord for cordless toools...
 
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