Jingling Pot - Kingsdale

[cave junky]

Hello,
Went and did Jingling Pot this evening. Due to a big team we rigged both routes. I ended up rigging the big drop via the gully to keep the 2 routes appart. I had trouble rigging the Y-hang as the p-hangers just didn't seem to be in the best place and we ended up with rope rub, no matter how much things were adjusted. Anyway, back to the point. One of the group had done the route very recently and offered to de-rig. She was confused as to why we had rigged it they way we did. It would appear when she was there a few months ago, 2 p-hangers were located next to each other making a perfect hang. 1 of these no longer exists neither does the rock it was in.
Has anyone heard anything about this? Just interested as to how solid the other hanger is.
Thanks
Ally

 

[dunc]

I had trouble quite a while back, anchor placement seemed odd to me and despite my best efforts and assorted slings I still had rope rub. I feel better knowing that it wasn't me being blind that day and it appears the anchor has gone somewhere...

 

[damian]

Beneath the first drop (where there are two anchors at head height), there are three anchors all in the roof of the bedding plane. If the first is rigged with a fig of 8 knot and the second and third using butterflies of increasing length, it creates a very nice hang.

Assuming there were 3 anchors when you were there, Cave junky, nothing has disappeared ... always been three (as far as I am aware).

 

[cave junky]

Something has definatly diapeared, there is a clear area where limestone has broken and disapeared and a hole in the rock where the end of the bolt must have been. I rigged a fig-8 on the first bolt in the bedding and the y-hang from the other bolt in the bedding and the one on the face.
As far as can be remembered things have changed since Feb it would seem.
Anyway, it isn't a case of who is right and wrong when it comes to how it should have been rigged, more a case of be awear that the apparent lost bolt is very close to another used and that the integrety of the limestone might not be great.
Ally

 

[dunc]

I only ever found two after the first drop on my visit, despite spending some time looking for another/a natural to create a rub free hang.

 

[Trog]

I rigged this route recently, and found it needed a deviation just below the y hang to stop rope rub. There is a thread in just the right place a short distance below the y hang which needs a long bit of cord to make it work (also needs some aerial acrobatics to reach it). This was the first time I had rigged the gully route so don't know anything about 2 hangers close together. The route can still be rigged without rope rub though.

 

[cave junky]

Whilst de-rigging we did spot the thread you mention and decided that would be the only option.
Ally