Journal references required

[SamT]

I know access has been lost - and the entrance has been filled over, but I was wondering if there is any documentation of the stuff in Outlands head quarry. I think it was Ben Bentham and Dave Gill who were digging there originally.

There must be some write ups/surveys/maps etc in some jounals some where, Eldon? TSG?

Pitlamp - you're always forthcoming with the references - any ideas.

 

[Pitlamp]

Eyup Sam - I think the prime reference is in the same Eldon Journal as the Layby Pot write up; late 70's or early 80s.  It was that one which was printed to a high quality, with some superb large black and white photographs.  There is also a large Outlands Head survey with it - if memory serves me right it might have been drawn by Bill Whitehouse (to his usual superb standards).  I seem to remember Dave Gill was involved quite a lot at the time, so you could ask him?

Moving on a few years - wasn't there some controversy in the 80s about asbestos tipping in the quarry affecting the cave?  Ben was involved in this as I remember - and so was DCA, so you could see if someone like Jenny Potts would dig out the information?

And of course I bet Pete Revell would know a fair bit . . . .

 

[SamT]

Yes - remember the controversy myself when I was a kid ... B.R.A.D.D.A. - bradwell residents against the dumping and disposal of asbestos.

Cheers pitlamp - somehow knew you'd know.

I somehow knew it would be in an Eldon journal,  Oh the irony.

Does the TSG library have a copy of the eldon journals at the chapel??

Bog - dont suppose you can lay your hands on this one out of one of your box's.

 

[Bog]

Sam i have the Eldon journal in question picked it up on Ebay some time ago
you start digging from the top and we will dig from Bagshawe last one in is a 

 

[SamT]

cool - would like a read some time.

 

[Pitlamp]

The Eldon journals are among the best that Derbyshire caving has produced.  There is so much information recorded in them to help exploring cavers.  I'm always amazed that a lot of cavers don't seem to refer to good caving journals very much.  The sooner you get that Eldon library into a good home the better.  Seems to me there are four priorities.  In order these are:

1. Security - it needs to be where no-one will help themselves to items!

2. Longevity - it should be housed where items will not deteriorate.

3. Accessibility - members only?  If so, can others also have access to the information (as opposed to original material)?

4. Referencing - the icing on the cake is a good index, so that folk can very quickly find information about sites of interest.  This doesn't happen overnight and is a labour of love - but a rewarding and absorbing job for the right person.


Sorry Sam - not trying to interfere in your club's affairs; just chucking in a few ideas that may help.  Your library is excellent and it's such a shame if folk aren't able to make use of it - specially your own very active members!

 

[SamT]

No wories.

I think you've hit the the nail on the head with that list.

First prioirty I think is a safe dry building where the boxes can get unpacked - sorted etc. (I think some of them have gotten into a shocking state towards the end of their stay at bens).

Im really looking towards a suggestion from someone of an empty room somewhere in derbyshire that we can at least temporarily unpack and shelve the contents.

If we put the word around - then you never know what might turn up.