Paul Marvin
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Tripod said:
As I have a lot of People contact with my job ,The amount of times I have heard especially elderly say " Im ok now I have had both vaccines " you would not believe
Just How Many Members Here Have Had COVID Experiences ?
- Thread starter Paul Marvin
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As I have a lot of People contact with my job ,The amount of times I have heard especially elderly say " Im ok now I have had both vaccines " you would not believe
Speleofish
Active member
The original justifications for lockdown were twofold. First to slow the rate at which people caught the disease and so prevent the NHS collapsing. Second, to give time to develop and manufacture vaccines, which would hopefully reduce the number of people developing severe disease or dying. The downsides of lockdown are obvious, both on mental health and on the economy so one needs a really good reason for inflicting it on people.
Currently, 66% of the whole population are fully vaccinated including over 80% of over 16s. 89% of over 16s have had one dose. Almost all over 16s have had the opportunity to get vaccinated but some have refused so, presumably, most of the unvaccinated are unlikely to change their status.
As vaccination doesn't stop you getting a mild infection and passing it on, it is 'inevitable' that everyone in the country will encounter Covid during the next year or so, a proportion will develop severe disease and some will die. Continued lockdown will slow the rate at which people catch the disease but won't change the total numbers who get it eventually.
If we've got as much benefit as possible from vaccination, the only thing we can influence is the rate at which patients hit the NHS. Ideally, it would be better if this was spread out over several months rather than everyone arriving at once. The fewer people who get it now, the more will be at risk over winter when we may also face an increase in conventional winter viruses. If we do get a significant 'flu season at the same time as we get a winter surge in Covid, the NHS will struggle. However, if most of those vulnerable to Covid infection have already had it, that risk is reduced.
Given the way Covid works, we aren't going to achieve herd immunity, though we should hopefully reach a point where the population has sufficient immunity to the disease that it becomes a nuisance rather than a recurring disaster. This may take a few years and several courses of vaccinations. However, provided it doesn't mutate radically, I'm fairly optimistic.
Currently, 66% of the whole population are fully vaccinated including over 80% of over 16s. 89% of over 16s have had one dose. Almost all over 16s have had the opportunity to get vaccinated but some have refused so, presumably, most of the unvaccinated are unlikely to change their status.
As vaccination doesn't stop you getting a mild infection and passing it on, it is 'inevitable' that everyone in the country will encounter Covid during the next year or so, a proportion will develop severe disease and some will die. Continued lockdown will slow the rate at which people catch the disease but won't change the total numbers who get it eventually.
If we've got as much benefit as possible from vaccination, the only thing we can influence is the rate at which patients hit the NHS. Ideally, it would be better if this was spread out over several months rather than everyone arriving at once. The fewer people who get it now, the more will be at risk over winter when we may also face an increase in conventional winter viruses. If we do get a significant 'flu season at the same time as we get a winter surge in Covid, the NHS will struggle. However, if most of those vulnerable to Covid infection have already had it, that risk is reduced.
Given the way Covid works, we aren't going to achieve herd immunity, though we should hopefully reach a point where the population has sufficient immunity to the disease that it becomes a nuisance rather than a recurring disaster. This may take a few years and several courses of vaccinations. However, provided it doesn't mutate radically, I'm fairly optimistic.
Speleofish
Active member
Just to clarify, I think ending lockdown was the right thing to do. Some precautions remain sensible - particularly mask-wearing in confined places, hand-hygiene and really, really focussing on improving ventilation of enclosed spaces (eg nightclubs and public transport). Otherwise, I'd end all restrictions.
Can?t be sure it was C19 but my wife had all the symptoms November/December 2019 before it had been recognised as being in UK.
Incessant cough, sore throat, fever, fatigue, breathlessness etc which lasted about 8 weeks in total.
After trying various over the counter remedies and ventolin inhalers which had very little effect we finally forced her to see the GP who after a thorough assessment in the surgery sent us to A&E where she spent the day on oxygen plus intravenous antibiotics & steroids before being discharged that same evening.
My daughter & I thought we were coming down with a cold at the time as we both had a mild cough and sore throat for a couple of days but that?s as bad as we got so whether it was a mild dose is anyone?s guess.
Suspect if it was Covid the wife picked it up at work as she was working in a pub at the time where a couple of the regular customers had been to the rugby World Cup in Japan just prior to her getting unwell.
Incessant cough, sore throat, fever, fatigue, breathlessness etc which lasted about 8 weeks in total.
After trying various over the counter remedies and ventolin inhalers which had very little effect we finally forced her to see the GP who after a thorough assessment in the surgery sent us to A&E where she spent the day on oxygen plus intravenous antibiotics & steroids before being discharged that same evening.
My daughter & I thought we were coming down with a cold at the time as we both had a mild cough and sore throat for a couple of days but that?s as bad as we got so whether it was a mild dose is anyone?s guess.
Suspect if it was Covid the wife picked it up at work as she was working in a pub at the time where a couple of the regular customers had been to the rugby World Cup in Japan just prior to her getting unwell.
Paul Marvin
Member
Hunter said:
I have heard that from a LOT of people complaining of feeling unwell but somehow different. I also felt Bloody awful in Jan 20 just before it was announced saying to my wife " I don't know what's up with me It's not a cold and not influenza but I feel dreadful " There was a case also revealed in France in the July of 19 way before it was common knowledge :doubt:
Marj and me suffered from a severe attack of what we assumed was Nova virus over Christmas 2019. I certainly had never felt so ill with 'flu' type systems and had had the flue jab in Oct.
We both have large families in the Midlands and whilst a fair few have had COVID infections of varying degrees we feel very fortunate in having no family deaths.
Jopo
yrammy
Member
I have not had it as far as I know. I know at least 8 people who have had it recently 6 of whom are double jabbed adults. I know one person who died of it earlier this year - but COVID was only part of he cause. She became alcoholic during lock down and it was that which took her into hospital - where she caught COVID and died.
I take it very seriously although I am not paranoid. I wear a mask in busy places and use sanitiser. My step mother is 77 and an x nurse. Last January she asked at her local heath clinic if she could help. They offered to employ her as she is qualified - but she opted to volunteer. She started by doing 4 mornings per week at the covid jab clinic. She is still doing it and for nothing. She is an example of selfless dedication. I take of my caving helmet to her
Mary (Caving Librarian)
I take it very seriously although I am not paranoid. I wear a mask in busy places and use sanitiser. My step mother is 77 and an x nurse. Last January she asked at her local heath clinic if she could help. They offered to employ her as she is qualified - but she opted to volunteer. She started by doing 4 mornings per week at the covid jab clinic. She is still doing it and for nothing. She is an example of selfless dedication. I take of my caving helmet to her
Mary (Caving Librarian)
caving_fox
Active member
Yes I recently had pos test (mild symptoms ) after attending music festivals, despite vaccination.
From earlier this year and last:
My brother, who manages to isolate without infecting family, a few of friend groups have had pos test, many of my neighbours have had pos tests, varying degrees of severity, several work colleagues. Luckily no-one requiring hospital, but bed-ridden.
From earlier this year and last:
My brother, who manages to isolate without infecting family, a few of friend groups have had pos test, many of my neighbours have had pos tests, varying degrees of severity, several work colleagues. Luckily no-one requiring hospital, but bed-ridden.
ttxela2
Active member
Neither myself or my wife have had it.
My youngest daughter and her partner had it very early on around May 2020. She works in a care home. Said she wouldn't have known if she hadn't been tested, just had a slight tickle in her throat for a day or two.
Youngest daughters area manager had it and was in a coma (not sure that's the correct term) for months, has only just learnt to walk again.
Several of the neighbours in our close have had it, none with serious symptoms, nothing worse than a mild cold.
Auntie and Uncle in Derby both had it, Auntie was in intensive care but not on a ventilator and better now. Uncle didn't have it so bad but is still experiencing the after effects over a year later.
Our receptionist at work looked after her grandson the weekend after having her second vaccine, he had a positive test at nursery the Monday after and she subsequently tested positive. Was fine for a couple of days but was then bedridden for two weeks. Previously a bit of a fitness freak she couldn't walk up one flight of stairs on her return to work and had to call me down to carry any deliveries about. 4 months later she is just about back to normal.
My youngest daughter and her partner had it very early on around May 2020. She works in a care home. Said she wouldn't have known if she hadn't been tested, just had a slight tickle in her throat for a day or two.
Youngest daughters area manager had it and was in a coma (not sure that's the correct term) for months, has only just learnt to walk again.
Several of the neighbours in our close have had it, none with serious symptoms, nothing worse than a mild cold.
Auntie and Uncle in Derby both had it, Auntie was in intensive care but not on a ventilator and better now. Uncle didn't have it so bad but is still experiencing the after effects over a year later.
Our receptionist at work looked after her grandson the weekend after having her second vaccine, he had a positive test at nursery the Monday after and she subsequently tested positive. Was fine for a couple of days but was then bedridden for two weeks. Previously a bit of a fitness freak she couldn't walk up one flight of stairs on her return to work and had to call me down to carry any deliveries about. 4 months later she is just about back to normal.
pwhole
Well-known member
I went to my parents' house yesterday evening with two of my brothers and their partners to celebrate my dad's 84th birthday, so there were seven adults in one closed room, and I spent much of the evening opening a door, any door, to increase airflow - after ten minutes someone would close it again. I pointed out that I'd shared a vehicle every day last week with a different person, two of whom had self-isolated recently, and that we were still technically in a pandemic, but it didn't seem to stick. Two of the people there wouldn't enter the house last time I saw them, and stood in the garden for their whole visit. Last night they were pretty much sitting on my knee, and I was the one backing away. The only difference is that we're all double-jabbed now, but as I pointed out earlier, that's not immunity, just less risk.
I'd quite like us to celebrate my dad's 85th birthday, but if he carries on like this we may not - I was glad to get home, frankly, and that's depressing on all sorts of levels.
I'd quite like us to celebrate my dad's 85th birthday, but if he carries on like this we may not - I was glad to get home, frankly, and that's depressing on all sorts of levels.
Paul Marvin
Member
yrammy said:
Good of your step Mum Bravo
Paul Marvin
Member
ttxela2 said:
We are only 16 miles north of Derby and it was awful in Nov last year and now Mansfield which as you probably know is not far away is the second highest infection place in the UK
Paul Marvin
Member
Pitlamp said:
Well put
My family have been careful (and lucky) and thankfully none of us have been infected. A number of my caving friends and colleagues have not been so lucky and have lost family members.
My office was initially careful but is gradually starting to ignore their own rules. Thankfully I am working mostly at home or at customers sites. The latest piece of stupidity involves them organising a Christmas party involving a pubs a restaurant and night club that will probably be full of intoxicated and badly behaved people with no thought of social distancing. I will not be attending.
My office was initially careful but is gradually starting to ignore their own rules. Thankfully I am working mostly at home or at customers sites. The latest piece of stupidity involves them organising a Christmas party involving a pubs a restaurant and night club that will probably be full of intoxicated and badly behaved people with no thought of social distancing. I will not be attending.
RobinGriffiths
Well-known member
Paul Marvin said:Pitlamp said:
Well put
It's not really Radacanu's fault - it's just politicians wanting some of the glitter to waft over themselves. There's already a kickback in the Daily Mail with commenters harumphing about migrants coming in an doing well and there's a deeply unpleasant (but predictable) undercurrent about mixed race people (again this is the commenters; the DM itself is positive about her). I say well done her.
Paul Marvin
Member
Mmm yes Xmas parties that will be interesting
Paul Marvin
Member
RobinGriffiths said:Paul Marvin said:Pitlamp said:
Well put
It's not really Radacanu's fault - it's just politicians wanting some of the glitter to waft over themselves. There's already a kickback in the Daily Mail with commenters harumphing about migrants coming in an doing well and there's a deeply unpleasant (but predictable) undercurrent about mixed race people (again this is the commenters; the DM itself is positive about her). I say well done her.
How that young ladies life has changed in the matter of a couple of weeks :blink:
PeteHall
Moderator
Paul Marvin said:Mmm yes Xmas parties that will be interesting
Well, I was at a work event on Friday, with about 500 people (mostly outside to be fair) and the CDG dinner on Saturday with about 70 people (mostly inside) and both were bloody brilliant!
Covid is here to stay, and everyone at risk has either been vsccinated, or has chosen not to be. If we can't get back to normal now, we never will and I, for one, won't be living the rest of my life in a bubble.
RobinGriffiths
Well-known member
RobinGriffiths said:
Hmm, I was wrong about the DM. A couple of new DM articles weaponising Radacanu online already. I 'spose large tree climbing felines do not change their spots.