Ladders are best
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langcliffe
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That's more or less how Chevalier and Petzl got up the 100 metre shaft from Trou du Glaz towards P40!
I wonder if he thinks Potholing is dangerous!
georgenorth
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Looks a lot like Kendal - the work at height regs don’t seem to apply here 😂
Which working at height reg were you thinking of? Legally you can ladder GG.
It is more the case that companies usually set their own standards to minimise accidents and liability. What the HSE actually says is that the risk needs to be as low as practicable. It’s on you. The above example would struggle in court because you could come up with some obvious alternatives.
It is more the case that companies usually set their own standards to minimise accidents and liability. What the HSE actually says is that the risk needs to be as low as practicable. It’s on you. The above example would struggle in court because you could come up with some obvious alternatives.
georgenorth
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I was referring to ‘The Work at Height Regulations 2005’
“Employers and those in control of any work at height activity must make sure work is properly planned, supervised and carried out by competent people. This includes using the right type of equipment for working at height.”
I would say that the shenanigans in the photo doesn’t meet any of these requirements. Obviously it might not be ‘professional’ in which case they can do what they like, but I’d be surprised if it wasn’t, given the ladders.
georgenorth
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Companies have been prosecuted because of photographic evidence like this e.g. https://press.hse.gov.uk/2023/12/20...r-spotted-on-pallet-raised-by-forklift-truck/
Fortunately for them, the guys in the photo aren’t exactly readily identifiable!
Fortunately for them, the guys in the photo aren’t exactly readily identifiable!
Maj
Active member
And here's another https://www.fwi.co.uk/farm-life/health-and-safety-breach-farmer-speaks-out
My last company had a maximum height of 2m without being in a harness and secured. Anyone who breached that would be dismissed, including those who approved it.
Others do things differently. We would also be dismissed for using a hands-free phone. Depends on what HSE performance you are trying to achieve.
Others do things differently. We would also be dismissed for using a hands-free phone. Depends on what HSE performance you are trying to achieve.
hyweldavies
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I think the problems from HSE's viewpoint would be that there's nothing stopping them falling out of the bucket, and the hydraulics on the loader won't have been fitted with the kind of failsafe systems that a machine designed to carry people would have, so they could have been tipped out or the bucket drop to the ground.
The farmer says he did a risk assessment, but I wonder if he wrote down the result. HSE's expectation is that a risk assessment will be done, and the risks reduced to ALARP. While they don't say it has to be written, they do expect proof that it was done. I'm guessing that a risk assessment involving the workers, who would therefore be witnesses to it, might be acceptable.
The farmer says he did a risk assessment, but I wonder if he wrote down the result. HSE's expectation is that a risk assessment will be done, and the risks reduced to ALARP. While they don't say it has to be written, they do expect proof that it was done. I'm guessing that a risk assessment involving the workers, who would therefore be witnesses to it, might be acceptable.
