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Langstroth Sumps

Going to have a look at Langstroth on Sunday...
Will probably investigate sumps first before committing to a through trip...
Can anyone let me know what they're like and share any thoughts about the dive through?
Cheers!
 

dunc

New member
You may have already stumbled across these bits and bobs:

Never done the sumps but I seem to recall reading an article about them in a CPC record a bit back. There's a sketch survey with notes on Cavemaps that accompanied the article (I think).

NFTFH book. ULSA Rants and WRPC have trip reports on through trips and might give you snippets of info.

:confused:
 

ALEXW

Member
A couple of years back I helped the fire and rescue service pump the sumps as part of a cave rescue and had the luxury of being able to go through the sumps when they were dry.
I seem to recall that I wouldn't mind having a go at free diving them. Sandy gravelly floor and plenty of room with nothing that struck me as awkward. I believe that there have been fatalities caused by a build up of bad air in the small bell. I have heard it suggested that missing the bell is the best option especially if there are a few of you. I'm not sure if the hole in the floor entrance is open at present but I do know that the top is rather tight, well too tight for me anyway.

http://www.ulsa.org.uk/rants/rant.php?rant_id=689
 

Fulk

Well-known member
I believe that there have been fatalities caused by a build up of bad air in the small bell.

As I understand it ? and I would welcome correction if I'm wrong ? a group of cavers entered Lanstroth Cave to check out the sumps the day before they planned to do the through-trip, but unfortunately their actions caused a built-up of bad air in one of the air-bells, as a result of which the first guy through lost consciousness and drowned. Two more cavers following the first also succumbed.
 

dunc

New member
Further to my above post (finally got time to fling a few links around).. AlexW has posted one of the rants, the other can be found at:
http://www.ulsa.org.uk/rants/rant.php?rant_id=528
And WRPC:
http://www.white-rose.org.uk/modules.php?name=Reviews&rop=showcontent&id=122
http://www.white-rose.org.uk/modules.php?name=Reviews&rop=showcontent&id=150
http://www.white-rose.org.uk/modules.php?name=Reviews&rop=showcontent&id=133

And, the internet being the place where you find everything, there's even a video for the armchair cavers or those of sound mind:  :LOL:
Langstroth Pot

Fulk said:
I believe that there have been fatalities caused by a build up of bad air in the small bell.

As I understand it ? and I would welcome correction if I'm wrong ? a group of cavers entered Lanstroth Cave to check out the sumps the day before they planned to do the through-trip, but unfortunately their actions caused a built-up of bad air in one of the air-bells, as a result of which the first guy through lost consciousness and drowned. Two more cavers following the first also succumbed.
The first of the group of six made it through and was the one to raise the alarm when he realised there was a problem. The following three unfortunately succumbed, the last two sat it out in the 'pot'. (going off a newspaper report from the time.)
 

Dickie

Active member
Don't rely on getting much of a breath from the upside-down toilet of an airbell. Popped up there once and it was oxygenless, so no point in hanging about and kept going.

Tip: Don't go through on a Sunday afternoon!
 

Pitlamp

Well-known member
Rather than rely on that tiny airbell, far better to dive a short distance further and do the two sumps as one dive. BUT - if free diving, there's loads of things that can be done to make it safer.

Be warm - full (well maintained) neoprene including hood and gloves.

Correct buoyancy - wear lead weights as necessary. (Don't fight the sump - understand how to glide through effortlessly.)

Be able to see properly, achieved by a combination of bright (multiple) lights and a good mask. Someone holding a light in the water (if possible) at the far end as you dive through will greatly help if underconfident. The better you can see the more easily you'll spot submerged obstacles (such as the roll of rusty fence wire I once encountered in the long Rowten sump, washed in by a flood shortly beforehand).

Be knowledgable - get properly clued up on the layout of the sumps, how recently the lines have been inspected / replaced, know what weather and other factors influence the clarity of the water, etc. Try to understand the passage morphology - so you know what likely direction cross joints run in etc.


Have a kitted diver check the underwater route ahead of your free dive if this is practicable.
In short, treat it as a full on cave dive but without the tanks.

Be bloody careful.
 

Pitlamp

Well-known member
graham said:
Good advice, John.  (y)

Thanks for your kind words Graham. You may find it vaguely interesting to learn that my own free diving skills, such as they are, originate from Mendip. When I was a teenager there were very few sumps which were regularly free dived in the north of England. But in the wake of the likes of Lloyd, Jeanmaire, etc who did a lot to develop free diving on Mendip, I remember being inspired by the possibilities. So I actually did an extended trip to Mendip as a youngster, specifically to learn how to do it. This took me on several memorable trips with some memorable people . . . . .  Fond memories indeed.
 

graham

New member
Pitlamp said:
graham said:
Good advice, John.  (y)

Thanks for your kind words Graham. You may find it vaguely interesting to learn that my own free diving skills, such as they are, originate from Mendip. When I was a teenager there were very few sumps which were regularly free dived in the north of England. But in the wake of the likes of Lloyd, Jeanmaire, etc who did a lot to develop free diving on Mendip, I remember being inspired by the possibilities. So I actually did an extended trip to Mendip as a youngster, specifically to learn how to do it. This took me on several memorable trips with some memorable people . . . . .  Fond memories indeed.

Kind, maybe, but accurate. I first dived Swildons Sump 2 back in 1972 with Aldwyn Cooper & first went down to Sump 9 in about 1975 with Pete Moody. Always good to have someone who knows what they are doing.

The thing I got wrong was trying to reach Wookey 9, before the tunnel was dug, with John Parker & Colin Priddle. John was amazing, but without weights I was simply unable to get deep enough to pass from 4 to 5. Shame, had that worked I would have been the first non-diver to reach 9.
 

Pitlamp

Well-known member
My own free diving education involved going down the Swildon's streamway; thoroughly enjoyed it and I'm still fond of it even now; it's a very special place.
 
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