Mendip Geology

Peter Burgess

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Oops!  :-[

I've just noticed that the 'overthrust fold' (get him, with his long words!) isn't at Burrington as I said earlier, it's in the hills just south of Churchill, about a mile east of Sandford Hill. So now you know, and the UBSS can sleep peaceful in the knowledge that there are no overthrusts deep below them.
 
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Limestone_Cowboy

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As Brains said the conglomerate is just a mixed rock containing fragments of rock in a fine grained matrix. This particular one seems, from whats been described, to consist of dolomitised limestone. The fish remains in question may have been in the limestone that makes up the conglomerate and are therefore older than the conglomerate formation, so if the limestone is laid down under water with fish, it is then uplifted and eroded and the chunks form a talus deposit which eventually becomes the conglomerate over time including a period Mg rich water flowing through it to create the dolomite.
 

Peter Burgess

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Or the conglomerate could be a prehistoric shingle beach? A Triassic sea out of which the Mendips rose majestically - waves crashing on an ancient shoreline, limestone cliffs crumbling seawards, and making a beach onto which the occasional dead fish might get washed up.
 

Brains

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Traditionally held assumptions are always good to disprove... Caves are where you find them! The conglomerate can also be formed as a result of submarine landslides or collapsing cliffs, above and below the water. There is a grey area between breccia and conglomerate, with some people saying and using the terms interchangeably. Of course, even in a desert intermittent lakes can and do form for a geologically brief period. A beach type deposit should have been recognised as such and described differently.
 
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andymorgan

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Peter Burgess said:
Traditionally, dolomitic rock is not supposed to host caves,

Please, someone, correct me if I am wrong, but does not Wookey Hole emerge through the DC?

You aren't wrong. There are other caves in the Mendips which are in DC, that I can't recall.
 

cap n chris

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Peter Burgess said:
A Triassic sea out of which the Mendips rose majestically - waves crashing on an ancient shoreline, limestone cliffs crumbling seawards, and making a beach onto which the occasional dead fish might get washed up.

.... next to a discarded McDinosaur drinks carton....


 

gus horsley

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Sorry, I've only just looked into this thread.  As far as I can remember the Carboniferous limestones of Mendip were laid down in shallow water on the edge of the continent of Laurentia, about 330 million years ago.  At the time the continent was colliding with a second continent to the south known as Gondwana.  The Rheic Ocean, trapped between them, was eventually squeezed out of existence during the Variscan Orogeny, about 295 miilion years ago.  This collision buckled the rocks in the Westcountry and led to the rising of the Mendips.  During the Triassic period the area was a desert and it was at this time that the Dolomitic Conglomerate was deposited.  I'm not sure of its exact mode of formation but it appears to be identical in age and texture to the Brockram of Cumbria which was laid down in a desert environment - basically it's not a conglomerate (and it doesn't appear to be composed of dolomite either) but a breccia formed by freeze-thaw action (typical of the range of temperatures found in deserts) which has been recemented by the calcite in the limestone.  Therefore it's really a reconstituted limestone and therefore perfectly capable of supporting cave development.
 

Hughie

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The Tethys Ocean was to the right of where the Meditteranian is now in relation to the continents (that's East isn't it?) It was at low latitudes at the time and gradually shrunk through subduction (that's a geological termie thing Chris) and I think disappeared more or less about the time that India landed on the South of Asia. I might be wrong but I seem to recall that was about 65 million years ago or so.
 

Hughie

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Peter Burgess said:
Traditionally, dolomitic rock is not supposed to host caves,



Also, my map shows a location near Rickford, where 'Conglomerate with fish remains' can be found. Suggests that the area was a bit wetter than a desert when the DC was deposited.

I suppose it depends whether the fish remains were within the fragments of rock which made up the conglomerate or within the matrix which holds it together. I am digging deep into my fading memory of my Earth Science degree, but I thought that fossils tended to be destroyed by dolomitization, so would favour the idea that the fishies were of the age of the matrix material and not the carboniferous limestone.
 

Peter Burgess

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Quick, someone, dig out that BCRA book "Limestones and Caves of the Mendip Hills" (I think). Isn't there something in that about the prehistoric conditions on Mendip etc?

 

Les W

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Dolomitic Conglomerate is all things to all men (and women) ;)

The term dolomitic conglomerate refers to all of the Permotriassic deposits around the flanks of the Mendips and the limestone outcrops furthur north

As mentioned in previous posts, the DCg was deposited in a desert environment and is basically a Conglomerate or Breccia composed mainly of Carboniferous Limestone, but there are also some outcrops of Conglomerate / Breccia with Old Red Sandston clasts (the geological name for the stones in a conglomerate) The red stuff that stick the clasts together (the matrix) is marl, and is similar/identical to the red marls that make up the Mercia Mudstone Group MMG (formerly called the Keuper Marl).
Marl is a lime clay and is almost certainly derived from denudation / weathering of the Carboniferous Limestone.
The clasts are derived from the surrounding high ground (Mendip hills) and represent alluvial outwash fans found at the bottom of gorges and valleys. Most of the Mendip villages are built upon these outwash fans as they provided relatively level ground above the level of the surrounding marshland. Good examples are Cheddar, Draycott, Westbury, Burrington, Blagdon, Compton Martin, etc.

The Consistency of the DCg is variable and it can be observed in various locations as a conglomerate, a breccia, dolomitised, not dolomitised, limestone clasts, sandstone clasts, etc.
The name was given, as are all geological names, from the location that the rock was first described, or from the first description.
The dolomitisation is very local and only in a small number of outcrops. Principally the rock is composed of limestone clasts in a marl (limestone) matrix and is therefore almost 100% limestone and soluble. It is also jointed so caves will, and have formed in it. All of Wookey Hole from the entrance to 9 is in DCg as are Wigmore Swallet and Red Quar (Attaborough Swallet).

The dolomitisation is only found at the bottom of the alluvial fans and is thought to be related to a much more recent thermal event of rising mineral rich waters that emplaced nodules of Celestine into the marl, It is probabally the same event that caused the mineralisation of the Mendips (Lead, Zinc, etc.)

The Clasts were formed, as has been suggested above, by freeze-thaw action in a desert environment as small stones split from the sides of the valleys and gorges. Typical desert erosion, very hot daytime and below freezing at night. This formed scree slopes down the sides of the valleys, These stones start angular and any that remained in situ stay angular and when cemented by the Marl became breccias but others were transported down the valleys were rounded off and became conglomerates. The transport system was flash floods and if you look at deposits of DCg you will see it is layered/bedded between 200mm to 1 metre thick,  each layer represents a single flash flood

Hope this helps  ;)
 

Les W

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The fish remnants are probabaly in the part of the triassic deposits called the bone bed. The bone bed is composed of many fish remains, mainly scales bones and teeth. This bed is contemperaneous with the Mercia Mudstone Group. ;) ;)
 
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andymorgan

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Which cave is in Blue Lias and is the longest cave in Blue Lias in the world. Is it Welsh's Green Swallet?
 
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