Mining engineer questions

[tomferry]

Well i have revisited .

Will try get the video up.https://flickr.com/photos/193182234@N06/53117903899/in/album-72157719737667235/

I certainly believe they are tells, they are in groups usually along a crack .

The starting handle is solid steel probably a 1” diameter . Length is 1ft -18” I would assume closer to around the 14” mark .

 

[tomferry]

https://flic.kr/p/2oVR9ei

 

[Cantclimbtom]

In archaeology there's a principle called "relative dating" which means you can try to date objects by the accompanying artifacts. If you are really lucky and that Lucozade bottle has a manufacture batch/date stamp on it - you may have the age of your lamp

 

[tomferry]

That is my scale model I’ll have you no !

 

[ChrisJC]

Thanks everyone for the help and information!

So who knows about installing roof tells ? . I have always believed if the roof moves this makes a loose tell go tight ? So when you check you realise it’s now solid ??

Or do they drop out onto the floor ?

Who fancies trying to guess what this is . I believe it’s a form of starting handle or jack handle . Solid steel tube .View attachment 16373

Having seen some more very similar devices in the same location, each with damage suggesting an end to end pull, I think they are linkages for wagons.

Chris.

 

[alex17595]

In archaeology there's a principle called "relative dating" which means you can try to date objects by the accompanying artifacts. If you are really lucky and that Lucozade bottle has a manufacture batch/date stamp on it - you may have the age of your lamp

There's also a principle in archaeology 'If you don't know what it is, it's a religious shrine'

 

[Roger W]

So we're agreed then? Whatever they are, they were used in some primitive ritual?

 

[Roger W]

On a more serious note, that iron bar thingy reminds me of something I've seen somewhere. Could it have been wedged or set in a gap to form a step?

 

[tomferry]

Having seen some more very similar devices in the same location, each with damage suggesting an end to end pull, I think they are linkages for wagons.

Chris.

I believe the correct term would be coupling ?


Tom.

 

[royfellows]

Reading the last few posts, therin lies a tale

In nearly all of my digging projects, artefacts can be found that are supermarket bitter lemon bottles. It was remarked that future archaeologists would be able to date the project by the 'sell by' dates on the bottles.
In truth, I do drink gallons of the stuff.

 

[tomferry]

Reading the last few posts, therin lies a tale

In nearly all of my digging projects, artefacts can be found that are supermarket bitter lemon bottles. It was remarked that future archaeologists would be able to date the project by the 'sell by' dates on the bottles.
In truth, I do drink gallons of the stuff.

Now that is an interesting subject .

In the darkest depths of westbury Brook iron mine , the very end we found a Pepsi can, if I remember correctly it was about 1980s which I found really interesting as I new somebody had been to the end around that time”no trip report”.

In our more local ventures we remove the graffiti from around 5-10 years ago and litter pick .

Would some 1 roughly 40 years from now , if found that interesting like we did on our trip ??

A large difference is, to reach the end of westbury you need to be a serious mine explorer, it’s a lot more cave like to do geology, also the super special mud.

But how the idiots have ruined cath in box mine is another level all together …. You would have needed a ashcart to clear that before it got sealed .

 

[royfellows]

and there in lies yet another tale

I used to visit Bryneglwys Slate Mine in the 1960s and I left some grafiti there. It was still there up to about 10 years ago.
Did it qualify as an artefact?
Opinions?

While on subject of that site, I undestand that there was a quarryman with initials "JW" who used to be a bit prolific with it, but also a friend of mine from that time had the same initials, the late John Walters, sadly killed in a car accident. he went on to own properties in the Abergynolwyn.

There are mines with initials "DEB" and "GWH" still on the wall from the 1950s.

 

[Cantclimbtom]

and there in lies yet another tale

I used to visit Bryneglwys Slate Mine in the 1960s and I left some grafiti there. It was still there up to about 10 years ago.
Did it qualify as an artefact?
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"Tom was hear" written yesterday on a wall with a sharpie would be shameful vandalism, idiot can't even spell
"Tom was hear" engraved on a wall in 1912 is cultural heritage and the spelling is added authenticity

Easy: There are 3 criteria to apply to test if graffiti is OK
1) Is it yours? - this apparently excuses everything
2) Is it art? (or maybe just: do you like it?)
3) Is it older than your date of birth? Immediately that makes it "historical" even if offensive and badly spelled - and therefore treasured artefacts. As dates of birth differ, so will conclusions

Tie breaker... if in doubt, extra points for being very carefully engraved or drawn

🤣

 

[royfellows]

To add fuel to the flames some of the old quarrymans graffiti in Box is quite vulgar. Not much of it though. I like the 'little fighters' - Tom Sayers from round my way and one of the quarrymen, cant make out the name?

 

[tomferry]

https://flic.kr/p/2mhmt1J

I have lots of there graffiti in this album, roughly 40 images .

 

[royfellows]

I throughly photographed all of the "Picture gallery" years ago in case the painters and decorators discovered it. The 'little fighters' are on one of the routes I use, straight down past 4 ways and up a rubble pile on the left. Going right down hill to the end of the passage there is a very poignant but interesting piece of graffiti, "Mine closes". Do you have these Tom?
The 19th cent bare knucle fighters involved some of the quarryment, but a lot of them were local to me. Tom Sayers, William Perry - the Tipton Slasher. My grandfather was one, "Snowball" Arrowsmith after his shock of white hair. These were your real "Hard men".
Back on mining, the "mine closes" is very interesting because of its date. Of course, Box is a ramification of a lot of smaller mines, or "Quarries" to be exact

 

[tomferry]

It appears the 3 you have I don’t have!

So here is a link to my album , I have 1 of very similar where sadly some idiot spray painted the man he was fighting …

Box mine

Stone mine

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