Newdoar descender

Brains

Active member

Just found this and tried to get my head around its operation and functionality. Can any of tech-o-philes make sense of it, or perhaps a gear freak amongst us has one and can post a video / make sense of it...
At less than $50 (plus P+P) it MIGHT make an alternative to the Petzl pricey options?
 

MarkS

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The instructions aren't too confidence inspiring:

stop wheel of the lowering device is integrated with the lower handle, and slides downward through the rope to drive the steering wheel to turn through the connecting rod to open and close the shaft

The handle strength can control the descending speed, and the lock is locked when the grip is released or released

Not sure about the "Self-breaking function" either!
 

cap n chris

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It looks like it functions (or not) in a similar fashion to the Kong Indy EVO descender. We trialled one of the KIEDs and, put simply, it doesn't work for caving. On brand new dynamic rope it works but on pre-loved caving rope you get hung up, even assuming you can descend in the first place [two of us didn't even get off the pitch head whereas our third team member got mid way down and I had to do a mid-rope rescue to retrieve them after the device locked/hung up]. Our conclusion: bag of shite. However, disclaimer: this comment may be completely irrelevant to the NewDoar which might be an amazing piece of kit, better than sliced bread and arguably so cheap that in the normal course of events I'd be highly suspicious of it. Anything you trust your life to ought arguably to be reassuringly expensive.
 

Shapatti

New member
My guess from looking at it that by squeezing the handle inwards, like you would on an older style Petzl Stop, the right hand side of the top silver aluminium part moves up and no longer bites onto the rope?
I assume that this block is meant to cam into the rope when the bottom bobbin is turned with friction when loaded, like the Stop does, just with more steps to get around Petzl's design I guess?

Beyond that it looks like the device is rigged like a Petzl Simple/Stop or any of the competition's double bobbin style descenders.
I do agree with MarkS though, the instructions seem to be particularly inspiring to the quality of it's construction :oops:
 
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cap n chris

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PS I have a KIED (only used 3 times), effectively brand new, still in the box, at a very good price to anyone who is interested. PM me. It's a beautifully engineered and gorgeous piece of kit, tbh. Weighs a ton too. Happy for it to find a new home a long way away from me. We were going to give it a Viking funeral by launching it on a small boat and igniting it with a suitably inflammable material until the whole shebang sunk. Haven't got round to it yet. Hence for sale.
 
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aricooperdavis

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Has anyone bought their "multifunctional chrysanthemum rope"?

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pwhole

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Well that's one use for it. I've got so many puns coming I'm getting a headache. Perhaps it's the new version of waterboarding? Just keep moving it up a notch until they admit it ;)
 

wellyjen

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The CE mark on it looks like a China Export mark, rather than a proper Conformité Européenne one. If it has been properly tested to EN341, then they should know how to properly CE mark it. I can't see any indication of a country of origin for the company, but the text suggests that either English isn't a first language for whoever wrote the web site, or there was no checking before clicking on publish. A reasonable chance it hasn't been certified to EN341 for descenders, despite what has been painted on the movable plate. For something that has no redundancy, like a descender, I'd be happier with gadget that is a little more confidence inspiring.
 

snebbit

Member
I currently have a NewDoar foot jammer, it's cheap-feeling, slow-running, the strap needed repairing after about 10 trips and it generally doesn't hold a candle to my beloved lost Pantin. I wouldn't buy again, but I'm running it til it's dead cos I'm a cheapskate. I wouldn't trust my life to load-bearing NewDoar equipment based on my experiences, least of all a descender. Sorry NewDoar
 

Leclused

Member
PS I have a KIED (only used 3 times), effectively brand new, still in the box, at a very good price to anyone who is interested. PM me. It's a beautifully engineered and gorgeous piece of kit, tbh. Weighs a ton too. Happy for it to find a new home a long way away from me. We were going to give it a Viking funeral by launching it on a small boat and igniting it with a suitably inflammable material until the whole shebang sunk. Haven't got round to it yet. Hence for sale.

I know a guy who is collecting this stuff her in Belgium.
 

Fulk

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It looks a bit a lot like this:
 

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To my shame, I did once buy a cheap Chinese rip off. This one is interesting as I think is only supposed to be used by Catholics?

My point is, if they can get that wrong, what else?
Please don't buy the NewDoar climbing stop
 

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pwhole

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To my shame, I did once buy a cheap Chinese rip off. This one is interesting as I think is only supposed to be used by Catholics?

My point is, if they can get that wrong, what else?
Please don't buy the NewDoar climbing stop

Well, to be fair, the Department of Transport (and most road sign manufacturers) still don't understand English grammar, so we're not completely out of the swamp yet here:

 
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