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Nice Rope Ends without a Hot Knife

Amy

New member
Finally got around to making a little how-to video for how we make our really nice rope ends without a hot knife. Because we be cheap cavers who don't want to spend $150 for a little hot knife.

Enjoy!

https://youtu.be/NHnAsS8htVE
 

Fulk

Well-known member
Hmmmm . . . if I want to cut a rope neatly I simply heat an old kitchen knife in a gas flame to red heat ? and apply to the rope (and I don't think I'll be the only one . . . ).
 

Mark Wright

Active member
Fulk said:
Hmmmm . . . if I want to cut a rope neatly I simply heat an old kitchen knife in a gas flame to red heat ? and apply to the rope (and I don't think I'll be the only one . . . ).

And the knife is usually hot enough to round off the sharp edges of the two cut ends.

Mark
 

snoboy

Member
When I saw the post title, I thought it was a query about how to do them, and I came to post this exact method. Discovered it by happenstance years ago, and it works really well!
 

Amy

New member
Masking tape burns a bit and makes the edges all nice and actually gets the core well melded with sheath, in my experience. Tried a few tapes and it just works best and pulls off easiest at the end for me. Some, like scotch tape, doesn't work at all.
As to the just make a knife hot, had much troubles with it not actually sealing the ends well, this method gets it hotter and really melts it all together never had issue with it crunching open or core pulling / moving within the sheath end.
But to each their own, this is my fav method and figured I'd share :)
 

andrewmcleod

Well-known member
Fulk said:
Hmmmm . . . if I want to cut a rope neatly I simply heat an old kitchen knife in a gas flame to red heat ? and apply to the rope (and I don't think I'll be the only one . . . ).

I used to do that, then stopped making a mess of my knife and just stuck the rope in the flame instead (after cutting carefully with the knife). Seems to work just as well...
 

Fulk

Well-known member
Well, andrew, not long since a friend of ours had new cows' tails that she had not cut to length, and decided to do so at the entrance to a cave; she sliced through one end, and immediately about 5?6 cm of rope unravelled. Fortunately someone had some insulating tape with them, and was able to bind the ends up for her.
 

andrewmcleod

Well-known member
Fulk said:
Well, andrew, not long since a friend of ours had new cows' tails that she had not cut to length, and decided to do so at the entrance to a cave; she sliced through one end, and immediately about 5?6 cm of rope unravelled. Fortunately someone had some insulating tape with them, and was able to bind the ends up for her.

I obviously have mad rope-slicing skills :p just don't use scissors as this doesn't work very well; I use a knife with no serrations on a breadboard with clean downwards pressure as the aim is to avoid disturbing the rope until you get it in the flame. Never had any problem doing this if you are careful...
 

topcat

Active member
I tape up, then cut with razor blade, then stick in flame [gas stove].  I'll try masking tape next time though.
 
I was faced with this issue last week (having never cut rope before), but using the issue as an excuse I just went a bought a blow torch and a paint scraper. Worked a treat.
 

andrewmcleod

Well-known member
Fulk said:
Fortunately someone had some insulating tape with them, and was able to bind the ends up for her.

On an unrelated note, I have unfortunately learned to spot insulating tape in caves, and now I am forever picking bits of it up - it's amazing how much of it there can be! Is it really all just from falling off krabs or then end of ropes etc?
My krabs are all marked with ToughTags which don't tend to come off in the same way (although they do wear down), and I use heatshrink with adhesive for marking the end of ropes.
 

cavemanmike

Well-known member
i bought a lighter fuel powerd  hot knife/soldering iron/small blow torch in one thingy from maplins for about ?15 years ago and works a treat in all it's functions  (y)
 

potholer

Active member
Amy said:
Finally got around to making a little how-to video for how we make our really nice rope ends without a hot knife. Because we be cheap cavers who don't want to spend $150 for a little hot knife.
Personally, I find cheap soldering guns to be pretty good - they can sometimes need a bit of on/off action with the trigger to avoid the tip heating to ignition point, but I think the last one I bought in Lidl was only about ?10.
Not quite as nice as a 'proper' rope knife, but not too far off, and the working parts heat up (and cool down) fairly quickly.

For an off-grid mountaintop alternative (or even an underground alternative if the rope is dry), cutting tape-wrapped rope with a knife and melting with a jet lighter (a bit like the youtube video) can work rather well.

The dealextreme jet lighters:
http://www.dx.com/p/jet-1300-c-butane-lighter-1320#.V7-I1q3wqdU
can be pretty good.
Their main design fault (button jamming) is generally fixable. They need tuning for flow (screw on the bottom), sometimes the jet needs to be given a hard blow if dust gets into it, and the recent ones have a rubber stand which stinks like tar on a hot summer day but which seems pointless anyway and can be discarded, and they take ages to arrive - DX always seem to try regular post and then the package gets rejected for airmail because it contains empty lighters and gets sent by alternative means at about the pace of a camel.
Best allow a couple of months for delivery.
But apart from that, they're fine. I usually buy a few, and treat them as semi-disposable, and they're vastly better for many things than normal lighters. They seem to fill with butane well, and hold a decent amount.
 
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