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petzl duo design flaws

The ideal outcome to this post is that I would like some advice about how to obtain a spare part for my petzl duo.
Failing that a shared understanding of the failings or not of the petzl duo.

I posted a message on the petzl  web site describing my problem and received no reply or even acknowledgement.

I have two problems with my duo one I have ignored for a long while and the other a recent problem.
Both are design flaws in the lighting system. I have been well pleased with the duos performance over the years (except when running into light vandals with vast supplies of lumens) and my light has seen good service. So lets be clear the petzl duo is a caving good light.

First the recent problem with the yellow battery case. Four AA batteries are mounted in a black carriage with a yellow top. The carriage is clipped into
the yellow case by two metal clips which create a water tight seal with a d-ring. The yellow top to the carriage has cracked and broken completely.
This is a result of the pressure applied by the two metal clips. Previously I had been surprised by the force applied by these clips when putting the batteries in the case. When I mentioned the problem to Tim on a recent trip to Shatter pot he discovered that his nearly new duo also had
a crack (so new it may be within warranty).

If I could obtain a replacement yellow top for the battery case the problem would be easily fixed.

I tried glueing the top back together with bostik and whilst it does not break again it now bends and is no longer water tight.

Suggestions and advice on how to fix it or obtain a replacement would be appreciated.

The second problem with the duo which I have lived with almost as long as I have had the light is that it is nearly impossible to open
even when brand new and certainly not after a few caving trips have got dirt into it. We have tried hot water soaking etc..
brand new duos (almost everyone in our tiny club has duos). This became an issue when someone wanted to replace the halogen bulb with an led
and we failed to open it. It became a more important issue when my halogen bulb failed. However since I almost never used the
halogen light except accidentally this was not an issue either. However it is another example of a design flaw in the
petzl duo lighting system.

No response needed on this issue, but anyone buying a duo should be aware of this problem.

Dave








 

seddon

New member
Hi Dave

For information:

i. pretty much any caving shop should be able to get the battery holder for you (not just the yellow top, I'm afraid). Not too dear if I recall.

ii. a good long dunk in hot water often clears the stickage on the front. May take a few goes, and WD40 helps as well.

Advice that Petxl don't give, but perhaps should: "open up the front of your lamp when it is new, so that with a bit of care you'll always be able to open it afterwards"

Tony (Scurion vandal but also long time, -mainly- satisfied Duo user)
 

Colin_W

New member
Same thing happened to the battery holder on mine - Bernies sold me a replacement for about 6 or 9 quid.

I now make sure I leave the clips loosened off when it's stored.

Its about time we saw the Duo  superceded by a better offering from Petzl - anyone know of stuff in development ?

Colin
 

Cave_Troll

Active member
i wouldn't call them design flaws, more a difference in what the designed expected we'd do with them and what we end up doing with them.
couple that with the extremes of manufacturing tolerances and you end up with threats of legal action :)
 

Peter Burgess

New member
The advice to keep the battery case lid unclipped when not caving is good. I wonder whether giving the case a heavy clout on a low ceiling might initiate a crack? I know I have given my case a hefty belt this way on more than one occasion.
 
Thanks everyone

I have phoned Andy Sparrow and now have one on order and it should be in the post soon.
As predicted I needed to buy the whole battery carriage insert but it does not cost much.
They also sell the metal clips.

Luckily our trip next week is down Miss Graces Lane and so having a water proof seal is not needed.
So no excuse to become a light vandal or lumen king.

Dave
 

IanWalker

Active member
Leaving the battery box open is probably good for the seal too, and it makes sure it's dry inside.

Dunno if WD40 is good for the seals on the front.  :-\  I asked about what sealant to use at Inglesport and they gave me a couple of silicone grease tubes free.
 
H

hoehlenforscher

Guest
WD 40 is a Water Disclacement product not a degreaser!  :sneaky:
 

Maggot

New member
Repair advice for just about everything:

If it should move and doesn't, you need WD40.
If it does move and shouldn't you need duct tape.

More seriously, the solvents in WD40 will affect the plastic and 'O' rings. I managed to kill a maglite using it!
 

martinr

Active member
hoehlenforscher said:
WD 40 is a Water Disclacement product not a degreaser!  :sneaky:

PRODUCT INFORMATION

WD-40 protects metal from rust and corrosion, penetrates stuck or jammed parts, displaces moisture, and lubricates just about anything. WD-40 is also great when it comes to cleaning grease, grime, and other marks from most surfaces.

Having said that, you should use silicone grease for the Duo and not WD40, as stated by maggot
 

ccasling

New member
not sure if you got the bezel off yet but I used a vice and an oil filter wrench worked a treat.
I now liberally apply Vaseline before every trip
 

robjones

New member
dave_the_cave said:
... it is nearly impossible to open even when brand new and certainly not after a few caving trips have got dirt into it.

It was this that dissuaded me from buying a Duo some years ago. I figured that if it was a desperate struggle to open up the head shell when brand new in the shop (and it took a chunk of flesh out of a digit to do so) and was not completely straightforward to reassemble (the shop at length offered to put it back together after I and a shop assitant had stuggled with it on the serving counter for a full 5 mins) then it was not a maintenance-friendly lamp.

Its a pity, because most Petzl gear is well designed and long-lasting.
 

Huge

Well-known member
I bought a new Duo last year and fitted it with a Custom Duo module. I didn't have any trouble opening the bezel to fit the module and I haven't had any problem since. After reading about some peoples problems on here, I half undo it after each trip and it opens and closes easily. Maybe it's just some batches that have problems?
 
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