Proposal for BCA to officially declare caves non-smoking

[Elaine]

It is ok - but only if they are over 16 years old.

 

[Peter Burgess]

It is ok - but only if they are over 16 years old.

Phew - that's OK then. BC is probably at least 700 years old. Everyone sing happy birthday Barons Cave.

 

[menacer]

Perhaps you could put up a sign similar to the ones telling the Bats to keep out of caves....

BATS KEEP OUT

sadly it doesnt seem to work...naughty bats

only you could tell the caves

CAVES NO SMOKING

Give it a go Peter 

 

[Billy Butcombe]

`UK GOES SMOKE FREE 1ST JULY' - saw that on the side of a bus on the way in to work. Not UK caves however. You will not be able to smoke in your downtown urinal - but in cavess it will still be permitted :yucky:

 

[Peter Burgess]

So what next? Smoking will not be allowed in pubs as smoking is an unhealthy thing to do. I am trying to think of another vice that has the potential to seriously damage your health. Ah yes, drinking alcohol. (BTW we all agree that drinking alcohol underground is a bad thing, don't we?) I think the next piece of health legislation should be the banning of drinking alcohol in public places, including pubs. We can all then go into pubs safe in the knowledge that we won't be tempted to damage our health by consuming alcohol. We can sit there quite happily drinking soft drinks, until the dangers of too much sugar or artificial sweeteners are on the agenda. Then we can all sit in pubs enjoying our glasses of water, until someone decides that sitting too long in one place is bad for us (deep vein thrombosis), and we are rationed to 30 minutes only sitting in the pub, drinking our water, from plastic containers obviously as glass ones could break causing us to cut ourselves. The plastic will have to be recycleable, by law. There's only one more thing we do that a great number of people think is dangerous - caving. Perhaps we should ban caving in caves.

I actually welcome the no-smoking legislation due to come into force soon, but don't welcome the self-righteous attitudes that it spawns as a side effect.

 

[Scutchamer]

So what next? Smoking will not be allowed in pubs as smoking is an unhealthy thing to do. I am trying to think of another vice that has the potential to seriously damage your health. Ah yes, drinking alcohol. (BTW we all agree that drinking alcohol underground is a bad thing, don't we?) I think the next piece of health legislation should be the banning of drinking alcohol in public places, including pubs. We can all then go into pubs safe in the knowledge that we won't be tempted to damage our health by consuming alcohol. We can sit there quite happily drinking soft drinks, until the dangers of too much sugar or artificial sweeteners are on the agenda. Then we can all sit in pubs enjoying our glasses of water, until someone decides that sitting too long in one place is bad for us (deep vein thrombosis), and we are rationed to 30 minutes only sitting in the pub, drinking our water, from plastic containers obviously as glass ones could break causing us to cut ourselves. The plastic will have to be recycleable, by law. There's only one more thing we do that a great number of people think is dangerous - caving. Perhaps we should ban caving in caves.

I actually welcome the no-smoking legislation due to come into force soon, but don't welcome the self-righteous attitudes that it spawns as a side effect.

You can't drink alcohol passively though...

Going the other way, if you can smoke in pubs, you should be allowed to pee in swimming pools! 

 

[Peter Burgess]

You can't drink alcohol passively though...

No, but you can suffer the effects of someone else's intoxication. Good grief, I'm beginning to put together a case for banning drinking.

 

[anfieldman]

Well stop it then!!
:chair: :chair:

 

[Peter Burgess]

I seem to remember doing this before. 

 

[Dep]

You can't drink alcohol passively though...

No, but you can suffer the effects of someone else's intoxication. Good grief, I'm beginning to put together a case for banning drinking.

And therein lies the danger...
A perfectly reasonable argument taken to its logical conclusion is that we must all end up in the scenario you describe a few posts back of sitting in the pub sipping water.

Sometimes I wonder if intelligence isn't a double-edged sword, our greatest evolutionary trait that put us here we are now is also likely to be our undoing.
Maybe Stalin was onto something when he liquidated the intelligensia!

 

[Mr Fell]

So what next? Smoking will not be allowed in pubs as smoking is an unhealthy thing to do. I am trying to think of another vice that has the potential to seriously damage your health. Ah yes, drinking alcohol. (BTW we all agree that drinking alcohol underground is a bad thing, don't we?) I think the next piece of health legislation should be the banning of drinking alcohol in public places, including pubs. We can all then go into pubs safe in the knowledge that we won't be tempted to damage our health by consuming alcohol. We can sit there quite happily drinking soft drinks, until the dangers of too much sugar or artificial sweeteners are on the agenda. Then we can all sit in pubs enjoying our glasses of water, until someone decides that sitting too long in one place is bad for us (deep vein thrombosis), and we are rationed to 30 minutes only sitting in the pub, drinking our water, from plastic containers obviously as glass ones could break causing us to cut ourselves. The plastic will have to be recycleable, by law. There's only one more thing we do that a great number of people think is dangerous - caving. Perhaps we should ban caving in caves.

I actually welcome the no-smoking legislation due to come into force soon, but don't welcome the self-righteous attitudes that it spawns as a side effect.

Unless you get pissed up and start causing a nuisance drinking normally does not pollute or harm others. If somebody in Swildons is having a fag - the smell is evident for a considerable distance, and for quite a length of time after the fag has gone out - and its unpleasant, stinks and moreover has an adverse impact, I would say, on the cave as it is. The thing about smokers is that they often dont see that others find their pollution aweful - and they carry on `self righteously' smoking without recognising just how much others hate smoke.



smoking regardless of what others think - on the bus, down the cave - etc etc.

 

[wormster]

Ihe thing about smokers is that they often dont see that others find their pollution aweful

Speak for yourself dearie,

As a smoker I hate coming home from the pub stinking like an ashtray,

I HAVE to have a shower and put all my clothes into the washing machine
(wasting another 30 gallons of water, but thats a different matter )

 

[Hatstand]

If somebody in Swildons is having a fag - the smell is evident for a considerable distance, and for quite a length of time after the fag has gone out - and its unpleasant, stinks

Sod the smell from smoking......

 

[Bob Mehew]

Some long time ago some one asked about the impact on club huts.  BCA's Legal & Insurance Officer Dave Judson has been reading the no smoking laws (and regulations) and has produced advice on its impact for for club huts.  This will be published in the forthcoming BCA's Newsletter, so I won't spoil your anticipation of that publication by revealing the conclusion.  He has not been asked to look into its application to caves as surely no one smokes down a cave these days?

 

[martinr]

Some long time ago some one asked about the impact on club huts.  BCA's Legal & Insurance Officer Dave Judson has been reading the no smoking laws (and regulations) and has produced advice on its impact for for club huts.  This will be published in the forthcoming BCA's Newsletter, so I won't spoil your anticipation of that publication by revealing the conclusion.  He has not been asked to look into its application to caves as surely no one smokes down a cave these days?

http://www.smokefreeengland.co.uk/files/everything_u_need_new_sf_law.pdf :

Members’ clubs that provide sleeping accommodation may designate individual guest bedrooms for smoking, but all other parts of the premises must be smokefree.

Dormitories and other shared accommodation that is made available under separate arrangements must be smokefree at all times

 

[AndyF]

Does the new law only apply to smoking tobacco...? :-\ :

 

[martinr]

Does the new law only apply to smoking tobacco...? :-\ :

Does the law just apply to cigarettes? No, it covers all substances that a person can smoke.
These include manufactured cigarettes, hand-rolled cigarettes, pipes, cigars, herbal cigarettes
and water pipes (including shisha, hookah and hubble-bubble pipes).

 

[mak]

I will reiterate for the more literary challenged out there. 
BCA has not got the legal authority to ban smoking in caves.
BCA has more important things to do than get involved with a pointless debate over which they have no authority.
BCA may wish to consider the moral issues on smoking in caves from a conservation viewpoint but they can only issue advice.
BCA is not a law making organisation, nor a law enforcing one. This responsibility is for the Government, the Judiciary and the police.

Please stop bad mouthing BCA or BCA's Officers over this issue, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH US!

Yeah but what about wearing bright yellow trousers in public  - what authority/position does the BCA take 

 

[cap n chris]

Yeah but what about wearing bright yellow trousers in public  - what authority/position does the BCA take 

The Northern Department of BCA surely strongly recommends wearing bright yellow trousers/tops in public; otherwise over half of this lot would be in trouble, for starters (IIRC so would you, Mak, `cos aren't you rather keen on yellow condomsuits too?).

Picture located on Imperial College website - all acknowledgements offered! - used only as an example for the yellow trouser debate/veto.

 

[Peter Burgess]

I'm a bit unhappy about the bright blue Marigold gloves.  :-\