Red Moss access

[darwen dave]

I'm trying to find out if it's possible to get down Red Moss legally.
The first problem is permission, NC says Top Farm but on the wiki page it says High Birkwith.
Which one is correct?

I have also heard permission is rarely given, but if the wiki is correct and it is High Birkwith why single out Red Moss?
I have always found the occupants at High Birkwith to be very free with their permissions.

 

[dunc]

I don't know the answer but there are two entrances on different sides of the track, which may explain differing access situations..?? 

 

[JasonC]

I'm trying to find out if it's possible to get down Red Moss legally.

I went down the 'new' entrance a few weeks ago on an official club trip.  I don't know what arrangements (if any) the club secretary had made in advance, but there was no suggestion of having to check with anybody on the night.

There was whiffy dead lamb in the entrance - if it's still there, it should be properly humming by now ....

 

[Alex]

Its still there then, I dropped my bag on that months ago. Unless that is a new one. I too am not aware of any particular access restraints, though I did not arrange the trip.

 

[skippy]

Hi Dave,

According to the 'adopt a cave' scheme its Burnley CC that look after Red Moss.
Andy should be able to get some info on access.
Everytime I try and contact Burnley by E mail they keep bouncing back.

 

[darwen dave]

http://www.cravenpotholeclub.org/MemberMeetdetails.aspx?Group=members&Meet=20100801

http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~elynch/reg.htm

 

[skippy]

Hi Dave,

I noticed that Craven were doing a meet at Birkwith but I cant make the 1st Aug...It looks like Magnetometer will be my first outing with Craven at the beginning of September.

I have got a pass out for either a week on Saturday or Sunday25/25th if you fancy a crack at Red Moss...weather and access permitting....or some of the other stuff around that area.

I will have to go via Ingleton but this time I probably wont have to go back as its about time I spent some hard cash instead of hiring.

Anyway let me know if you or the others are free that weekend.

G

 

[Alex]

Sorry I am getting mixed up with a different cave, I was thinking of Dismal Hill Cave for some reason. This like many pots also has a dead sheep at the bottom.

 

[dunc]

Sorry I am getting mixed up with a different cave, I was thinking of Dismal Hill Cave for some reason. This like many pots also has a dead sheep at the bottom.

And that's the old (proper!) entrance to Dismal Hill.. Bit wiffy, but you don't have to step in or over it, unless of course you drop your bag on it.


So, are we any wiser on Red Moss - is that access issue for the old or new entrance??   

 

[darwen dave]

I'm thinking more of the new entrance.

Maybe it's something to do with having to climb the wall?

 

[dunc]

Ye, I would have said 'new' too, could be the problem I guess; not like you're trampling over lots of land as it's very close to the wall.. Looking at the map one could assume 'new' was part of Top Farm land rather than High Birkwith..

Does anyone use the old entrance, has anyone used it recently? (only ever been once just over 10 years ago and that was via the new one, might be tempted by the original way one day!)

 

[Pitlamp]

Skippy - if you're starting to get involved with CPC meets try and get up to the GG meet. It'll be a life changing experience.

 

[dunc]

Think I was wrong about the farm (having got round to looking at NC2), new entrance will be High Birkwith and Top Farm will be old as Canal Cavern and others close by (same field) are Top.

 

[Andyj23UK]

according to the 'adopt a cave' scheme its Burnley CC that look after Red Moss.

we do 

err i know nothing - but i will make inquiries on thursday

 

[skippy]

http://www.wildplaces.co.uk/adoptacave.html

There you go Andy.....yer own system to look after

 

[darwen dave]

Dunc.
Do you assume therefore that permission for new entrance will be freely available from High Birkwith?

I had wondered whether High Birkwith was the land owner and Top Farm was a tenant farmer, hence the conflicting information.

I'm sure there must be someone out there who can fill in the gaps.
Someone who works with the CNCC or a club perhaps.

Come on, give us your two penneth. It's for the good of the nation.

 

[Glenn]

Someone who works with the CNCC or a club perhaps.

Come on, give us your two penneth. It's for the good of the nation.

I'll have to check when I get home, but the general principal is that if it's not listed on the CNCC website, then there are no access restrictions.

Cheers,

Glenn
via the Speleo Vercors wifi LAN at La Jarjatte-en-Vercors
www.speleo-vercors.org

 

[kay]

It's not listed by name on the CNCC site, though it may be considered to be included within "Browgill and Birkwith Caves"?

But can you clear up something for me? The CNCC site says:
"The access information on this page supplements the guidebook' Northern Caves Vol. 2 The Three Peaks' "

I took this to mean that ''no information' means 'follow what it says in NC', rather than 'no information' means 'no restrictions' which is I think what you just said. So if I look up a cave that has restrictions in NC, and find no info on CNCC, can I assume in most cases that the restrictions in NC no longer apply?

 

[Billy Butcombe]

The situation with access to this cave is this. If you go and ask for permission (for the new entrance in the shakehole in the field) at the farm (cant offhand remember the name of the farm) you will be told that you need a CNCC permit. In point of fact there has never been a CNCC access agreement here at all.

I have done the cave dozens of times and have never asked permission. Mainly we have been down early in the moning and the farmer has never been about - indeed I have never seen him anywhere near at all. Sometimes however there are bulls in the field in question - so some caution needed.

 

[kay]

The situation with access to this cave is this. If you go and ask for permission (for the new entrance in the shakehole in the field) at the farm (cant offhand remember the name of the farm) you will be told that you need a CNCC permit.

Is that the same farm where you ask permission for Birkwith and Browgill, ie the one at the bottom of the track leading up to the parking place for Birkwith/Browgill/Calf Holes?