Rule of Six

darren

darren

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The alternative to multi generation households seems to be to send the senior generation of to a nursing home.

There the elderly can die alone, unseen without troubling the younger members of the family. Society can say it is a care-home problem and needn't impact the general public.

We do all remember the recent Covid19 mass deaths in care homes don't we?

Difficult to argue one system is better than the other.



 
alastairgott

alastairgott

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For a lot of people it's also about what jobs are on your doorstep. I have found this out first hand on more than one job interview, where the job has been "won" by a person more local. It's a crazy misconception that you have to have a house right now that's local to the job (but entirely understandable). I know people that move every 6 months into new rented accommodation, presumably because they get bored.

Sometimes there are areas where particular ethnic backgrounds are more prevalent, I can't say that I've seen many people living in Yorkshire, Derbyshire, Mendip or south wales who aren't 'white British'. this could be echoed across large swathes of afluent living in London and is certainly true in Cheshire, where bizarrely they have been found guilty of being prejudiced to a white hetrosexual male. https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/cheshire-police-found-guilty-discrimination-15874831

When coupled with biases in the job selection process you can see how people could be 'held back' by their Race, Gender or sex. I'm not saying it's right, far from it. but one of the biggest factors in Quality of life (or affluence) is what area you live in, or feel comfortable living in.
 
The Old Ruminator

The Old Ruminator

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Both my Grannies lived at home with the family at different times. I remember one and heard her die in the room next to my bedroom. She was my            " childcare " when mum and dad were at work full time. That situation was seen as normal 60 - 70 years ago. Today they are bunged off to a home to rot peaceably away kept artificially alive when all hope as gone. That's our " caring " society.
 
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Fjell

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It?s not that simple. I have:
1. One 92 year old living with me.
2. One 92 year old in a nursing home now on a drip half the time.
3. One 80 year old in a secure home. Not allowed access to any liquids or tools. No possibility of being allowed in a normal house without 24 hour supervision.
4. One 80 year old whooping it up with gay abandon on their own. No detectable social distancing that?s for sure. Woo woo.

The one with me has to accept the risk of my kids going to school and none of us shielding beyond common sense. We have a carer for when we go caving or walking all day.

It?s just life. There is a lady down the road I was bringing stuff to. She is rapidly declining into dementia. She just stands there very puzzled about life. She might be better off now living in a decent home with people talking to her.  Some places are very good, but you absolutely get what you pay for. Whizzy ones with pubs are ?80k a year. Local councils will stump up ?25k grudgingly for the destitute, but realistically you get SFA. All that healthy living to get to 90 is possibly an error.
 
pwhole

pwhole

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And it's quite certain that many people in the next generation or two to encounter this unfortunate situation will almost certainly not have the savings or pension to pay for it until they die. I certainly won't, and there will be millions more in the same situation. So then what? On the other hand, many millions have many billions squirrelled away in savings or pensions that they really don't need. My dad retired at 65 and is now 83, but on average he gets paid more than I do every month - he told me only last week that he hasn't needed an income for the last ten years. It never stops rolling in, and all his old friends from work are in the same boat (or on the same cruise ship, anyway).

Strangely (thankfully?), I don't know of a single member of my extended family that has dementia, or even close to it. Though most are Catholic - maybe that's it? ;)
 
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crickleymal

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Having seen the way my father has deteriorated mentally and physically there's no way I want to reach his age (96). My mother was 92 when she died and the same applied. If I get to 75 that'll do.
 
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Fulk

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If I get to 75 that'll do.
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Hmmm, well, I dare say that that was said written with tongue in cheek, nevertheless, I wouldn't be too sure of that, crickleymal! I'll be 74 in the near future, but still enjoy going caving, walking in the hills, getting out on my bike (three [admittedlyshort] outings so far this week). Although I do try to take care of my health, I acknowledge that there is a big dollop of luck in being able to continue like this. (By the way, pwhole, I have a crap pension and work part-time to eke it out.  :))
 
darren

darren

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Did a 50 mile cycle ride averaging 14 mph today.

I was accompanied by an 80 year old, a 77 year old and a 73 year old among others. 80 year old was showing his age, had to help him change an inner tube.
 
alastairgott

alastairgott

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University clubs are making plans to go caving, especially those universities which are not in Local Lockdowns. So, Chris, you can bring your grim reaper outfit to the thread, but hang the cloak up at the door to this thread please, the weave doesn't match.  ;)
 
pwhole

pwhole

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Fulk said:
(By the way, pwhole, I have a crap pension and work part-time to eke it out.  :))
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I understand - I know it's not everyone has had the benefits of the pension revolution, and many are struggling - or just getting by at best. But many are doing pretty well out of it too, especially if you're able to still work part-time in the job you used to do, but now as a freelance consultant, for even more per hour. I suspect that it may be the only generation that does benefit in that way.

Channel 4 News had two interesting pieces on tonight - one about young people being unable to find employment, and another about young people needing to go to raves - or less pointedly, needing to have a good time. It was quite frightening, given the emphasis on further education as the best way toward a 'good job' (and building the necessary debt required to do it) and then finding that there are very few new jobs available at the moment for anyone of that age group, degree or not. And then the further restrictions of not being able to meet up properly and have fun due to the virus. It did infer quite a bleak future ahead for them - and for everyone, if that's replicated across the world. Obviously we could try change the way society is run to adapt to these new circumstances - but even that recent Russian meteorite didn't seem to shake folks up enough to really get cracking.
 
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crickleymal

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Fulk said:
If I get to 75 that'll do.
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Hmmm, well, I dare say that that was said written with tongue in cheek, nevertheless, I wouldn't be too sure of that, crickleymal! I'll be 74 in the near future, but still enjoy going caving, walking in the hills, getting out on my bike (three [admittedlyshort] outings so far this week). Although I do try to take care of my health, I acknowledge that there is a big dollop of luck in being able to continue like this. (By the way, pwhole, I have a crap pension and work part-time to eke it out.  :))
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Not particularly tongue in cheek. As I said seeing the way my dad is and apparently his sister too I'm not sure I want to last that long. I already have occasional problems remembering words and I'm 57.
 
The Old Ruminator

The Old Ruminator

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Yup went caving yesterday with my mate joint ages 146. What has age got to do with anything? Yes luck and looking after yourself but also you have to embrace life, live it, and do stuff. Dangling partway down a 50m cliff face does make one wonder though. Pensions are a very difficult area. We were robbed when company pension calculations were changed from best of last three years salary to career average. I saw the issue aged 22 by adding more contributions. I actually overfunded my scheme by the time I retired at 50. ( Yes 50 ! ). Sad thing is very few people now save for their " old age ". Demographic trends are scary. The government scheme will collapse at some point in the future. So well off-topic and back to rule of six. The storm clouds are gathering. We might see rule of six as a happy temporary concession rather than a restrictive regime. You've got it now so get out and make good use of it.
 
JoshW

JoshW

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The Old Ruminator said:
Yup went caving yesterday with my mate joint ages 146. What has age got to do with anything? Yes luck and looking after yourself but also you have to embrace life, live it, and do stuff. Dangling partway down a 50m cliff face does make one wonder though. Pensions are a very difficult area. We were robbed when company pension calculations were changed from best of last three years salary to career average. I saw the issue aged 22 by adding more contributions. I actually overfunded my scheme by the time I retired at 50. ( Yes 50 ! ). Sad thing is very few people now save for their " old age ". Demographic trends are scary. The government scheme will collapse at some point in the future. So well off-topic and back to rule of six. The storm clouds are gathering. We might see rule of six as a happy temporary concession rather than a restrictive regime. You've got it now so get out and make good use of it.
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Think yourself lucky you?ve even got a DB pension, nothing like that for us. Most young people struggle to contribute too much to their pensions as money is so tight, but potentially there is a lack of understanding of the value of company pension schemes(hello tax breaks!)
 
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