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Training for caving

kay

Well-known member
A friend of mine is doing a Sport and Leisure NVQ, and has been asked to design a fitness training regime for the sport of his choice - and he chose caving.

Talking about it, we thought the important things are flexibility, stamina, and upper body strength (for all those crawls - press ups are brilliant!).

But what do other people think?
 

mudmonkey

New member
Best training for caving = caving

Even if I haven't been caving for an age (not an infrequent occurence...) I find I'm still less knackered than fit, strong novices 'cos half of the fitness for caving is moving easily through the cave. that, and caving demands use of muscles in all sorts of wierd ways.....
 

cap n chris

Well-known member
Best training for caving = caving

Mudmonkey is spot on. However, it's not always possible especially if you live a long way from the nearest caving region; stamina and strength can be worked on by using stairs instead of elevators and swimming, jogging, biking and going to a gym. Rock climbing (indoor walls or real walls!) is good for your technique of moving over rock and a good one for traverse/rift movements is to stand in a corridor and lean alternately against one wall and then the other (doing slanting press-ups); this builds up good strength in your upper body. Start off doing 50 and then build up to doing 200/day.

The downside of going to the gym most days when you're not underground is that you get quite big and also it can affect your prussiking technique since you get top-heavy. If you're a skinny rake concentrate instead on rock climbing, running and tucking into nice heaps of lard.
 
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Dave H

Guest
.... and, of course, lifting full pint glasses for the after caving activities.

Oh, and only full glasses give the best benefit, so you'd better keep re-filling them! :LOL:
 

cap n chris

Well-known member
Mudmonkey also made a very good point; "grace" (i.e. the ability to move through a cave environment with minimal wasted energy/effort) is learned only through experience and what are known as "engrams" (similar to climbing, martial arts and dance) or "patterns of movement".

Once you have good automatic movement through a cave environment you don't necessarily need to be super-fit (although it always helps to have reserves of energy in the event of unforseen circumstances arising); so a training programme for caving would probably HAVE to include a lot of caving - since this is going to be the quickest and best way to learn this important energy-saving technique.

A second best would be to use indoor climbing walls (or outdoor real walls) and do lots of traversing or put opposing elements in (i.e. real wall with large stones placed a metre away from the wall at regular intervals and then use the wall and the stones as a representation of an underground traverse/streamway and practice moving along carrying tackle bag on back/off harness, over one arm or the other etc..).

BTW I know of "hard" cavers who regularly do triathlons, "Iron Man" and such like stuff; I don't run marathons (and couldn't!) but this doesn't mean I can't be useful underground. However, if you meet someone who is super-fit and who has never been caving you'll usually find they have no problem keeping up whatsoever; the "dangerous" people you take underground are the ones who are unfit in the first place and who end up being at risk of just sitting down totally exhausted and claiming to be unable to go any further (these people should always be taken on very easy, low-objective, trips until they start to get more fit). It's worth remembering that even a simple caving trip often equates to doing an entire 90min rugby game without a break!
 

graham

New member
I remember in my student days (yes, I can still remember that far back) when we would take members of the Uni rugby 1st team or similar caving. They were always completely knackered and could not understand why us beer sozzled types weren't even breathing hard.
 
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andymorgan

Guest
Chin ups, press ups, lots of crawling. Best to do all these in a bath with the cold shower on and someone hitting you with a stick.
I've heard about rowers going caving and getting knackerd quickly as well. I'm sure if we didn't drink beer we would be fine physical specimens. Unless it is lifting the beer that gives us strong arms :drink:
 
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MSD

Guest
Believe it or not, I remember reading an article about this in a very old LUSS journal, circa late 60's to early 70's. Probably worth looking up, if only to give a historical perspective.

Last summer I went to Austria on an expedition. I was pretty run down and lacking caving fitness (too much sitting behind a desk), so I did a fair bit of training in the months before I went. That did include going caving when I could, but living where I live that was obviously limited. My fitness programme was:

a) 20-30 minutes hard work on an exercise bike
b) press ups and sit ups
c) light work on the upper body with two dumb bells (4-6kg depending on which muscle group). I can lift more, but I was training more for stamina than outright strength.
d) warm down with stretching exercises

I did this maybe 4-5 days a week on average.

Come the summer I was fit as a fiddle and felt really "on form". I'm quite sure that the training helped a lot.

Mark
 

Rachel

Active member
Does anybody do yoga? I've always fancied having a go and wondered if it'd be good practice for some of the tighter caves.

I've also been trying to get my prussiking muscles toned up by holding the lounge door half open, gripping a door handle in each hand and squatting/standing. I don't know if it's working or not, but it hurts after a while!
 

dunc

New member
Does anybody do yoga?
Nah, never tried although I would guess it would make you supple for contorting your body round tight passages!

I would agree with mudmonkey that the best training is to go caving.. Although certain other activities/sports may help in certain elements of caving I can't think of anything that would give you an overall workout(battering) like caving does!

Its as much about technique as it is stamina/strength etc, I've taken people underground that whilst not superfit weren't couch potatoes either, they usually looked knackered at the end of the day - if they had better technique they would have been perhaps tired but not knackered..
 

cap n chris

Well-known member
Does anybody do yoga

Although I'm not actually trying to lose weight I am rather partial to strawberry flavour and Apricot flavour and I'm sure it can only help make you fitter if you have a varied diet.
 
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tubby two

Guest
Come on people, the most important bit of 'training' prior to a good caving trip is the big greasy fry-up in the morning right (partly due to it's amazing ability to soak up the hangover from the helly)?

tt. (should maybe be Tt after many breccies and no caving...)
 
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angelmaz11

Guest
Running. I think it's really good, because you are exercising the whole body and if you go to a gym you can set it to uphill running.
It works all the necessary muscels to keep you going - especially useful for those who always get close to their ETO's!!! I won't mention any names! :p

Oh and of course come king of arm exercise! Always handy to be able to lift your own body weight! For that I suggest lifting weights.
 
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DCWB

Guest
The Church of Scientology believe that engrams appear during periods of psychological distress or trauma, and lie at the root of all mental disorders. That presumably, is why they are so relevant to potholers. As Scientologists try and get rid of their engrams, I wonder if there is a measurable inverse correlation between Scientological piety and cave fitness?
 
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andymorgan

Guest
andymorgan said:
Chin ups, press ups, lots of crawling.

Forgot to mention dips (not salsa) on parallel bars: along with the chin ups they seem to exercise more muscles than simple weights do. You are also lifting your entire body weight on your arms as you occasionally do in caving.
 
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cucc Paul

Guest
Church of Scientology these people sound cave athobic what if theis swallowing engrams stop... or their breathing engrams... Engrams are good.
 
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