Whitelackington and Timber Hole

[Stupot]

Was is it with Whitelackington and Timber Hole ?

As one of the diggers I am confused as to why he has such an invested interest in the place, after all you only have to ask and I am sure we can arrange a trip for you.

Stu.

 

[whitelackington]

Was is it with Whitelackington and Timber Hole ?

As one of the diggers I am confused as to why he has such an invested interest in the place, after all you only have to ask and I am sure we can arrange a trip for you.

Stu.

Well recovering one,
I do not see why I should not be interested, it is a cave, in an area I know well, probably the only cave in the area apart from C.W.F.S. that I ain't been down.
It is suppose to come within the C.C.C. remit but there does not seem to be a way of obtaining the key without being led.
Why should I or anyone from a C.C.C. club have to be led if it is so short and insignificant (not that I am saying it is short or insignificant.)
If the clubs I am in are part of The C.C.C. then we should all be issued with the key,
not just the club that are currently digging in there.
I am presently the access officer for M.C.G., our club did used to dig there a long time ago.
I am sure I could get a personal invite but it should not have to be like that.
Should it? :-\

 

[Peter Burgess]

I am sure I could get a personal invite but it should not have to be like that. Should it?

When it was explained on the forum why it was like that, even I understood it. Is it not obvious to you?

 

[Stupot]

The fact that it's an active dig with all manner of contraptions and tools down there, why should we just hand a key over, I am sure you would be the first to complain if a scaffold bar gave way and crushed your leg.

Stu.

 

[Peter Burgess]

Maybe he is too proud to ask for a look/see?

 

[graham]

The fact that it's an active dig with all manner of contraptions and tools down there, why should we just hand a key over, I am sure you would be the first to complain if a scaffold bar gave way and crushed your leg.

Stu.

And that's the bloody point, isn't it. I can think of another "cave" on CCC Ltd land that he hasn't been down (our dig). It's kept locked partially because it's full of loose boulders being cemented and loose scaffolding not yet fully fixed in place and partially because anyone down there when the diggers arrived could easily be brained (OK, not Whitelackington) by a clutch of scaff bars being dropped on them.

It would be bloody stupid to grant keys to places like that to all and sundry.

 

[Bob Smith]

I think most people would agree that active dig sites are not always suitable for open access. I suspect that many diggers would be willing to show someone round their dig, but a little wary of someone wanting to go there on their own.

 

[cap n chris]

It is essential that diggers have a total understanding of the stability, or otherwise, of their surroundings - week in, week out this is built up such that a digger knows relatively accurately which rocks are sound and which are held in place by love; if a third party gained access and started furtling with a crowbar at any/all of the rocks then the digger would be back to square one. Personally I would consider it fundamental to have an intimate understanding of the workings of a dig, especially if it contained a boulder ruckle.

 

[Elaine]

The fact that it's an active dig with all manner of contraptions and tools down there, why should we just hand a key over, I am sure you would be the first to complain if a scaffold bar gave way and crushed your leg.

Stu.

Well explained Stupot. I think these are very sound and justifiable reasons for restricting access to this (and others like it) dig site.

 

[martinr]

I am presently the access officer for M.C.G., our club did used to dig there a long time ago.

Exactly. We (MCG) used to have the dig. And the key.

We (M.C.G ) stopped digging, now another club has the dig. And the key.

We gave up on TH and moved on to another project. What was it now? Let me think....... ah I remember, Upper Flood. Whatever became of that dig?

MartinR
MCG committee member.

 

[Stupot]

Can I have the key to UFS for tomorrow night please, I want to do a solo trip to remove the Pork Pies as I have a buyer for them, I will drop the key back once finished 

Stu.

 

[whitelackington]

The difference, in this case is that Timber Hole is suppose to come within the remit of The C.C.C.
Upper Flood does not, thankfully, come under their care.

How do we, Joe Public, KNOW, that any digging has taken place in Timber Hole,
for the last five years, they are so secretive,
they might just be hanging on to it for old times sake.

At least what ever is found in Upper Flood Swallet
is very soon made public, within weeks actually. :halo:

 

[Peter Burgess]

Mr Whitelackington, you seem to be obsessed. Cavers with obesessions are generally a good thing, but it can be taken too far.

 

[graham]

The difference, in this case is that Timber Hole is suppose to come within the remit of The C.C.C.
Upper Flood does not, thankfully, come under their care.

How do we, Joe Public, KNOW, that any digging has taken place in Timber Hole,
for the last five years, they are so secretive,
they might just be hanging on to it for old times sake.

At least what ever is found in Upper Flood Swallet
is very soon made public, within weeks actually. :halo:

So you, personally, have had no news from Timber Hole for five years (though the digging team has reported annually to CCC Ltd - just ask your club rep.) I think that we waited about 20 years for the good news from UFS.

Be patient.

 

[whitelackington]

The difference, in this case is that Timber Hole is suppose to come within the remit of The C.C.C.
Upper Flood does not, thankfully, come under their care.

How do we, Joe Public, KNOW, that any digging has taken place in Timber Hole,
for the last five years, they are so secretive,
they might just be hanging on to it for old times sake.

At least what ever is found in Upper Flood Swallet
is very soon made public, within weeks actually. :halo:

So you, personally, have had no news from Timber Hole for five years (though the digging team has reported annually to CCC Ltd - just ask your club rep.) I think that we waited about 20 years for the good news from UFS.

Be patient.

You are right Graham, nineteen years for Upper Flood Swallet
to start yeilding its secrets
and the invention of battery drills.

 

[axbridgecaver]

The difference, in this case is that Timber Hole is suppose to come within the remit of The C.C.C.
Upper Flood does not, thankfully, come under their care.

How do we, Joe Public, KNOW, that any digging has taken place in Timber Hole,
for the last five years, they are so secretive,
they might just be hanging on to it for old times sake.

At least what ever is found in Upper Flood Swallet
is very soon made public, within weeks actually. :halo:

So you, personally, have had no news from Timber Hole for five years (though the digging team has reported annually to CCC Ltd - just ask your club rep.) I think that we waited about 20 years for the good news from UFS.

Be patient.

I did not inform the caving club on the Timber Hole report, that was part of the CCC AGM Minutes for 2006, as I did not rate it a significant, but for Whitelackinton's curiosity here it is -


"Timber Hole (CSS) – There have been a couple of exploratory trips to try and determine if it is worth clearing the rift in a different place and backfilling the lower section which is continually flooded to a depth of approx. 2m. Work will continue, albeit most likely on a sporadic basis."

A new name for Whitelackington - JackRussellackington - he just wont ever let anything drop and just keeps pestering.

I'm sure the CSS report in 2007 on Timber Hole will be just as exciting - come along to the meeting!!!!!

 

[Peter Burgess]

I'm sure the CSS report in 2007 on Timber Hole will be just as exciting - come along to the meeting!!!!!

Here is a draft you might like to consider?

There has been unprecedented interest in Timber Hole from a member of another club. Because of the drain of our resources answering innumerable queries from this person, it has been decided to hand over all responsibilities for the dig, access to it, and the maintenance of all aspects of safety to third parties to Russelljackington, subject to CCC Ltd approval.

No? I thought not.

 

[truescrumpy]

The difference, in this case is that Timber Hole is suppose to come within the remit of The C.C.C.
Upper Flood does not, thankfully, come under their care.

How do we, Joe Public, KNOW, that any digging has taken place in Timber Hole,
for the last five years, they are so secretive,
they might just be hanging on to it for old times sake.

At least what ever is found in Upper Flood Swallet
is very soon made public, within weeks actually. :halo:

So you, personally, have had no news from Timber Hole for five years (though the digging team has reported annually to CCC Ltd - just ask your club rep.) I think that we waited about 20 years for the good news from UFS.

Be patient.

I did not inform the caving club on the Timber Hole report, that was part of the CCC AGM Minutes for 2006, as I did not rate it a significant, but for Whitelackinton's curiosity here it is -


"Timber Hole (CSS) – There have been a couple of exploratory trips to try and determine if it is worth clearing the rift in a different place and backfilling the lower section which is continually flooded to a depth of approx. 2m. Work will continue, albeit most likely on a sporadic basis."

A new name for Whitelackington - JackRussellackington - he just wont ever let anything drop and just keeps pestering.

I'm sure the CSS report in 2007 on Timber Hole will be just as exciting - come along to the meeting!!!!!

Axbridgecaver  you may not reported about Timber Hole to your Club but did you ever mentioned about Bat Passage dig as well in the last 5 years

 

[Stupot]

Ok WL here's a picture taken a few weeks ago during a digging trip, note the bang wire / slippery planks / crow bar and black and white pipes for pumping out the water. Also loose rock which extends to the water can just been seen at the foot of the picture.

And just in you don't believe it's actually Timber Hole, here's a picture of us going in.

Stu.

 

[truescrumpy]

Well done Stupot for showing us

Like to have a look sometime with you and your gang  Don't want to wait too long though !