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we are trying to ascertain the past popularity of our quarries for an upcoming book and get an idea of how many people and groups visited before we had to close the entrances. Sadly,some of those running such trips did not have the owners permissions to enter the quarries. Hence the current ban. Nevertheless, the owners are generally PRO- scouts and would be interested to hear of your experiences, when visited, by whom organised etc.

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Re: ever visited Quarrydean Farm Quarries(entrances no4&2)via Wcms as scouts?
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2017, 10:42:58 pm »
This thread may require locking, not sure? I'm not familiar with the location, but believe the subject is inflammatory.

Please find out which if anything?

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Re: ever visited Quarrydean Farm Quarries(entrances no4&2)via Wcms as scouts?
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2017, 11:13:10 pm »
Not sure why this one has raised it's ugly head again, this was a long running saga between Peter Burgess and a poster called Hole in the Rock back from March 2006. I think Hole in the Rock was either an agent or the actual owner of whole or part of the mine who seemed to have a dispute with the WCMS and had prohibited their entry to Quarrydean Farm Quarries, and was asking similar questions to the above one. It was one of those, get your popcorn, sit back and watch type threads!

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Re: ever visited Quarrydean Farm Quarries(entrances no4&2)via Wcms as scouts?
« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2017, 11:18:21 pm »
It was one of those, get your popcorn, sit back and watch type threads!

Don't hold your breath. The days of two-sided threads are long gone, like the contributors.

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Re: ever visited Quarrydean Farm Quarries(entrances no4&2)via Wcms as scouts?
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2017, 11:32:55 pm »
Lovely. I'll get my popcorn.

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Re: ever visited Quarrydean Farm Quarries(entrances no4&2)via Wcms as scouts?
« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2017, 11:45:52 pm »
No popcorn needed. I'm asking for simple info I can use in the forthcoming book. I'm not prepared to be entertainment, thank you

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Re: ever visited Quarrydean Farm Quarries(entrances no4&2)via Wcms as scouts?
« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2017, 08:46:53 am »
It was one of those, get your popcorn, sit back and watch type threads!

Don't hold your breath. The days of two-sided threads are long gone, like the contributors.

Yes, but the bichiness has gone too.....


Oh.


Hang on...... :lol:
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Re: ever visited Quarrydean Farm Quarries(entrances no4&2)via Wcms as scouts?
« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2017, 05:57:16 pm »
Don't hold your breath. The days of two-sided threads are long gone, like the contributors.

...like your Moderator title...   ;)
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Re: ever visited Quarrydean Farm Quarries(entrances no4&2)via Wcms as scouts?
« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2017, 08:07:39 pm »
I rest my case.... :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: ever visited Quarrydean Farm Quarries(entrances no4&2)via Wcms as scouts?
« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2017, 11:41:59 pm »
Amazing. Simple request for info and everyone jumps back to HITR. For your information HITR Does know the family and owners, and was asked by one of the owners to look into matters. The insults given to the family by various cavers, plus their actions trespassing resulted in HITR responding to provocation with extreme sarcasm.
I am not a HITR.
I am an owner of QDF.
So. I want to find out which scout groups visited. Simple.
We've already established WCMS acted illegally... Hence the changes to their site post 2005sollicitor letter.

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Re: ever visited Quarrydean Farm Quarries(entrances no4&2)via Wcms as scouts?
« Reply #10 on: September 13, 2017, 01:00:10 am »
Not sure how you expect participants on a predominantly caving website to know what scout groups visited 10 to 20 years ago. Or indeed why. Maybe you should ask Bear Grylls?

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Re: ever visited Quarrydean Farm Quarries(entrances no4&2)via Wcms as scouts?
« Reply #11 on: September 13, 2017, 09:39:40 am »
Would someone be so kind as to enlighten me as to what "HITR" stands for?

Some kind of text speak? I tried Googling and stock quotes. Just trying to make sense out it all.
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Re: ever visited Quarrydean Farm Quarries(entrances no4&2)via Wcms as scouts?
« Reply #12 on: September 13, 2017, 09:43:21 am »
Hole In The Rock.

See several posts above.
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Re: ever visited Quarrydean Farm Quarries(entrances no4&2)via Wcms as scouts?
« Reply #13 on: September 13, 2017, 10:11:59 am »
aQuarrydeanOwner, I started caving in 2008 after whatever happened. Happened!

I would quite like to know about underground sites, but it does irk me when they are tantalisingly dangled in front of me.
 It's similar when I read a book about a tunnel in south wales which was not far from llangattock (name escapes me now).
 Similarly, the milwr tunnel North wales escaped my generation, Ogof Lynn Parc in North wales and there's also some mines in Derbyshire which are locked and access is denied.

 I don't know anything wot went on down in those southern regions.

A) I don't know what "HITR" is or why they have anything to do with this site.
B) I don't know what the landowner vs "HITR" relationship is with regards to why access was denied.
C) I do know some people in WCMS, but don't know what they did or why.

Drilling down:
1. you have raised an issue from 12years ago.
2. you have stated that WCMS "acted illegally"
3. you are still asking for information on how WCMS let people into the site.

If you legitimately wish to find out this information, there are quite a few people involved in Scout caving, I'm sure they would be able to search for people, information and photo's of caving at the site. They might even be able to give you a survey.

Is that what you want? Perhaps we can help?

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Re: ever visited Quarrydean Farm Quarries(entrances no4&2)via Wcms as scouts?
« Reply #14 on: September 13, 2017, 10:50:50 am »
It might be worth your while asking on the Adit Now forum as they have a population of active mine explorers.

https://www.aditnow.co.uk/

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Re: ever visited Quarrydean Farm Quarries(entrances no4&2)via Wcms as scouts?
« Reply #15 on: September 13, 2017, 11:25:13 am »
He's been on AN, but not asked the questions here.

Ask yourself why.

He's a troll.
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Re: ever visited Quarrydean Farm Quarries(entrances no4&2)via Wcms as scouts?
« Reply #16 on: September 13, 2017, 01:53:26 pm »
aQuarrydeanOwner, I started caving in 2008 after whatever happened. Happened!

I would quite like to know about underground sites, but it does irk me when they are tantalisingly dangled in front of me.
 It's similar when I read a book about a tunnel in south wales which was not far from llangattock (name escapes me now).
 Similarly, the milwr tunnel North wales escaped my generation, Ogof Lynn Parc in North wales and there's also some mines in Derbyshire which are locked and access is denied.

 I don't know anything wot went on down in those southern regions.

A) I don't know what "HITR" is or why they have anything to do with this site.
B) I don't know what the landowner vs "HITR" relationship is with regards to why access was denied.
C) I do know some people in WCMS, but don't know what they did or why.

Drilling down:
1. you have raised an issue from 12years ago.
2. you have stated that WCMS "acted illegally"
3. you are still asking for information on how WCMS let people into the site.

If you legitimately wish to find out this information, there are quite a few people involved in Scout caving, I'm sure they would be able to search for people, information and photo's of caving at the site. They might even be able to give you a survey.

Is that what you want? Perhaps we can help?

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Re: ever visited Quarrydean Farm Quarries(entrances no4&2)via Wcms as scouts?
« Reply #17 on: September 13, 2017, 07:00:08 pm »
He says he wants the information for a book! That has to be a bad joke.
A book of solicitors letters may be. :confused:

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Re: ever visited Quarrydean Farm Quarries(entrances no4&2)via Wcms as scouts?
« Reply #18 on: September 14, 2017, 03:19:20 am »
Braved Uckfield, no bad joke
Droid, no troll, sorry! Bridge free and on a no people diet  :tease:
Roy and Alastair, someone has answered about HITR above... Long standing saga.

Alastair, some issues have not been adequately answered... Hence why still enquiring, and as a new owner I like to find out for myself.
HITR at the time of posting was asked by one of the owners, my mother, to look into things.
People will be overjoyed to hear HITR has become another owner... So we now have 3Harrisons as owners not two as before.
The banning was the only solution given the provocation, trespass and general nuisance.

As long standing sagas... It's not the longest... It took us approx 30years to get compensation out of highways for the loss of the farm buildings...

So generally, if something ain't right, we'll plug away till we get it right.....

And yes please regarding the help offered identifying scout clubs - genuine query.

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Re: ever visited Quarrydean Farm Quarries(entrances no4&2)via Wcms as scouts?
« Reply #19 on: September 14, 2017, 07:37:06 am »
Looks like my popcorn jibe has already become true! As has probably become evident, Peter Burgess no longer resides on this forum and he is I think the only poster who could, if he was willing, which I very much doubt, help you. Aditnow has been suggested as a better destination for your enquiries (demands!) and that still stands, though I think you will get blunt replies, or the Scouting organisation itself. Here, I think you will find us bemused and distrustful and with zero knowledge to help your fruitless enquiry!

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Re: ever visited Quarrydean Farm Quarries(entrances no4&2)via Wcms as scouts?
« Reply #20 on: September 14, 2017, 07:56:50 am »

Ogof Carno (Adit)

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Clydach Gorge Access to Carno Adit is no longer available.
I don't think a book was ever written about Carno Adit and it's associated cave system. If there was and anyone knows what it was called and the author, I would be interested to know so that I can see if I can find a copy.
The other alternative is the Pwll Du tunnel. This was opened back up a few years ago but sealed again as it is collapsed and dangerous although not sure a book was ever published about it. The only other one I can think of is the Waun Felen and Tranch iron mine that was explored and surveyed by Brynmawr Caving Club members when it was broken into by roadworks and a book about it published by Bill Gascoine.  Access is still possible but finding a key can be difficult and bad air at the end makes it dangerous. It also isn't very close to Llangattock.
I can't off the top of my head think of any others.

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Re: ever visited Quarrydean Farm Quarries(entrances no4&2)via Wcms as scouts?
« Reply #21 on: September 14, 2017, 09:56:50 am »
No, I'm afraid definitely Carno Adit, I think it was in an old version of the Caves of South wales. or else, I spotted it somewhere.

Or was it in the Underground wales book? Anyway, definitely Carno.

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Re: ever visited Quarrydean Farm Quarries(entrances no4&2)via Wcms as scouts?
« Reply #22 on: September 14, 2017, 01:32:10 pm »
Recording history is always a good thing if it informs the future to lead a better path then more to the good.     :coffee:

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Re: ever visited Quarrydean Farm Quarries(entrances no4&2)via Wcms as scouts?
« Reply #23 on: September 16, 2017, 02:19:17 pm »
we are trying to ascertain the past popularity of our quarries for an upcoming book and get an idea of how many people and groups visited .

There is no "WE", that is James Harrison, acting on his own, trolling for info so he can persecute/intimidate/bully any past visitors despite his mother drawing a line under what happened in the past. James has mental health issues and believes he has a right to bully and intimidate people who used the land when he did not own it.
Nobody would buy a book when 90% of the info james is asking for is already in the public domain, but he is too up himself to realise this.
Please do not bother yourselves with his insane ramblings and just treat him with the contempt he deserves.



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Re: ever visited Quarrydean Farm Quarries(entrances no4&2)via Wcms as scouts?
« Reply #24 on: September 16, 2017, 02:29:11 pm »

HITR at the time of posting was asked by one of the owners, my mother, to look into things.
People will be overjoyed to hear HITR has become another owner... So we now have 3Harrisons as owners not two as before.
The banning was the only solution given the provocation, trespass and general nuisance.
CUT....
So generally, if something ain't right, we'll plug away till we get it right.....
CUT..

I looked into things for my mother and they were dealt with in full.
banning access was to stop someone else profiting from trips when the owners had no knowledge of it. it was NOT done for any other reason, nothing to do with people visiting the land who were not paying, nothing to do with trespassers, and the people who were visiting were not a nuisance, they actually helped to keep the yobs and hoodlums away by having a presence there.

"WE" do not plug away, the rest of the family knows when to draw a line under things and move on. Only a madman would continue to flog a dead horse under the pretence of wanting to write a book.