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Re: Brexit box - good expedition food??
« Reply #25 on: January 17, 2019, 08:09:47 pm »
Let's face it, at 75 I've not got too many years to worry about.   :unsure:

Isn't this the attitude that got us into this sub-optimal situation?

It wasn't an attitude that got us into this mess sub-optimal situation, it was a lack of opportunity back in the mid to late 20th century.
You won't hear it mentioned on the news, or said by politicians, but it does surface sometimes in discussion programs on Radio 4.

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Re: Brexit box - good expedition food??
« Reply #26 on: January 17, 2019, 08:28:12 pm »
I've heard it convincingly argued that the Brexit mess is due to certain leave campaign politicians' abilities to lie like a cheap carpet, whilst driving thousands of unnecessary miles in a certain large red vehicle, whilst their sanctmonious colleagues blame their electorate for global warming.

But what would I know? I'm just one of that electorate who has to suffer the results of giving these people the power.

We really deserve a second referendum on the options which have since emerged, one of which is staying in the EU. That's probably the "least bad" choice of the lot, as agreed by almost all businesses which support the economy.

Never mind a Brexit box - better get a Brexit supply of medicines stashed, in case you're ill.

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Re: Brexit box - good expedition food??
« Reply #27 on: January 17, 2019, 10:11:38 pm »
People do not seem to realise that the fact the Millennium Bug turned out to be a damp squid  was actually a very major achievement for the IT industry.

yes and either people couldn't do sums or read a calendar else such a bloody stupid language like Fortran that actually used algorithms for dates to save a little bit of disk space would never have been developed.
So who landed us with it in the first place?

Probably those who went to their managers and said:

Programmer: "We can either store the whole four digits for the year or save storage space and just store the last two digits."
Manager: "How much will it cost us to store the full year?"
Programmer: "Well we have 9.8 million customers so with all that data, it would cost £XXX (in today's money £250,000) to buy the extra storage capacity."
Manager: "It's two digit years then!"
Programmer:  "Mind you, in thirty years time we may have a problem when the next century starts deciding what century the two digits are in."
Manager: "You want to spend  £XXX (in today's money £250,000) in case there is a problem IN THIRTY YEARS?!!"

Guess what was decided.
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Re: Brexit box - good expedition food??
« Reply #28 on: January 18, 2019, 04:55:47 am »
I think we should definitely abide by the first vote, the one in 1975. At least back then, we weren't told such a pack of lies by politicians. Alan Sugar has it right when he says that, if said politicians were company directors, they'd be prosecuted.

 No one can tell me that when they voted in this latest debacle that they had the slightest idea of the true ramifications of leaving the E.U., and now two years down the line we at least have an inkling, how can anyone possibly regard a better-informed vote on the issue as being undemocratic?
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Re: Brexit box - good expedition food??
« Reply #29 on: January 18, 2019, 09:39:01 am »
Being in the IT industry I can tell you on the millennium bug was never fixed, it was just kicked down the garden path with a fudge. We will likely start seeing the effects by about 2050 if those old systems are still in use. The reason being the test was if year < 49 then it's the 21st century (append 20), else append 19 as it's the 20th century so by 2051 systems will think it's 1951. Other systems depending on how old they are may had have a different test the value might be 70 so we won't have an issue until then, but the fix was the same, it will break before 2100.

The big difference between no-deal fear and the fear of the millenium bug is most of us knew it would not be much issue, but with Brexit there is ton of  evidence it will be a disaster as you just need to look at what has happened already to the value of the pound, jobs lost as plants relocate, millions and soon to be billions wasted on deal preparations etc etc. Not to mention simple logic as tarrifs mean prices go up that's how they work. There might not be chaos as It's possible they will just wave them through when they start queuing but that's a 50/50 chance, one I think we will be silly to not start stock-piling for, I mean they are calling in the ARMY!
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Re: Brexit box - good expedition food??
« Reply #31 on: January 18, 2019, 11:20:52 am »
Being in the IT industry I can tell you on the millennium bug was never fixed, it was just kicked down the garden path with a fudge. We will likely start seeing the effects by about 2050 if those old systems are still in use. The reason being the test was if year < 49 then it's the 21st century (append 20), else append 19 as it's the 20th century so by 2051 systems will think it's 1951. Other systems depending on how old they are may had have a different test the value might be 70 so we won't have an issue until then, but the fix was the same, it will break before 2100.

You may be right in that such a strategy was followed for some systems, but certainly not in the ones I was involved with, which included working and Boeing and major clearing banks.  Having said that, there will be little if any of the legacy technology left by 2050 - by then such systems will be 70+ years old.

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Re: Brexit box - good expedition food??
« Reply #32 on: January 18, 2019, 11:26:01 am »
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Re: Brexit box - good expedition food??
« Reply #33 on: January 18, 2019, 12:38:46 pm »
I didn't say we weren't told any lies, but that's not the point (leaving aside the obviously rabid pro-Brexit rantings of your sources). I happened to be very interested in the original process of joining the Common Market back then, and although we had many differing opinions on whether or not we should join, and much campaigning, we didn't have the likes of Johnson etc. telling such bald-faced porkies, e.g. the money for the NHS that never was.
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Re: Brexit box - good expedition food??
« Reply #34 on: January 18, 2019, 12:57:03 pm »
The closer Europe sticks together the better, given a possible military threat from super powers such as that just to the east.

I've always counted myself lucky not to have to have lived through any major wars but those who brought me up endured difficult times, partly because Europe was so fragmented. As a teenager, that never worried me; I had far better things to think about. But having a bit more experience of life now I realise just how bad wars are and how vulnerable a single nation can be. If we were to leave the EU that just tips the balance in favour of not being able to deal with such problems in a fragmented Europe.

(yes I know this is really about customs and trade but leaving would adversely affect our ability to resist aggressors, if only indirectly.)

So no, I'm not stockpiling anything, as I hope common sense prevails, a proper referendum takes place (without a deliberately misled electorate) and we don't sever our ties - i.e. the least bad option of all possible outcomes.

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Re: Brexit box - good expedition food??
« Reply #35 on: January 18, 2019, 12:57:53 pm »
P.S. tell us a joke or something Tony, I need cheering up!

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Re: Brexit box - good expedition food??
« Reply #36 on: January 18, 2019, 01:31:41 pm »
Is a 'lie' something which a polititian says that you don't aree with or an actual 'lie'?
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Re: Brexit box - good expedition food??
« Reply #37 on: January 18, 2019, 02:48:23 pm »
Is a 'lie' something which a polititian says that you don't aree with or an actual 'lie'?

In Boris Johnson's case, it's an actual lie if his lips are moving when he speaks

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/18/boris-johnson-falsely-denies-issuing-turkey-warning-in-brexit-campaign

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Re: Brexit box - good expedition food??
« Reply #38 on: January 18, 2019, 02:48:43 pm »
Vaguely wandering back to the ration side...  Fuel as well as water availability comes to mind if both are limited once the world ends.
For example: For the freeze dried stuff you need to bring just enough water to the boil, pour in the bag, and let fester for a while.  Similarly the likes of instant noodles, pot noodles, and couscous are similarly fuel and water efficient.  Left over water can be used for a brew.
Boiling up spuds, pasta, etc. takes some time and so uses quite more fuel and water as you generally have to drain.
Tinned curry, beans etc. only needs heating up as it's already cooked and hydrated, so saving fuel.


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Re: Brexit box - good expedition food??
« Reply #39 on: January 18, 2019, 03:59:05 pm »
Is a 'lie' something which a polititian says that you don't aree with or an actual 'lie'?
No, a lie is a lie, a porker, being economical with the truth, a big fat fib. Try Googling “Boris Johnson's Lies” for a healthy dose of pure, unadulterated fabrication.
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Re: Brexit box - good expedition food??
« Reply #40 on: January 18, 2019, 04:05:57 pm »
P.S. tell us a joke or something Tony, I need cheering up!


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Re: Brexit box - good expedition food??
« Reply #41 on: January 18, 2019, 05:17:50 pm »
(Grins) - that's more like it!

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Re: Brexit box - good expedition food??
« Reply #42 on: January 18, 2019, 06:53:53 pm »
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Try Googling “Boris Johnson's Lies” for a healthy dose of pure, unadulterated fabrication.

And if I googled Trump?
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Re: Brexit box - good expedition food??
« Reply #43 on: January 19, 2019, 08:59:18 am »
Boiling up spuds, pasta, etc. takes some time and so uses quite more fuel and water as you generally have to drain.

It's a good point about how much fuel and water is consumed. But potatoes can be cooked without water, and it's not difficult to learn to cook pasta in just enough water, so it's all been absorbed by the end of cooking  - pasta may end up a bit claggy, but still edible.

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Re: Brexit box - good expedition food??
« Reply #44 on: January 19, 2019, 01:35:36 pm »
Boiling up spuds, pasta, etc. takes some time and so uses quite more fuel and water as you generally have to drain.

It's a good point about how much fuel and water is consumed. But potatoes can be cooked without water, and it's not difficult to learn to cook pasta in just enough water, so it's all been absorbed by the end of cooking  - pasta may end up a bit claggy, but still edible.
A pressure cooker minimises both problems (amount of fuel and water required).

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Re: Brexit box - good expedition food??
« Reply #45 on: January 20, 2019, 09:21:02 am »

A pressure cooker minimises both problems (amount of fuel and water required).

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