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Offline Fatman

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Coniston Copper Mine Survey
« on: April 29, 2020, 05:14:24 pm »
Hi there,
Not sure which forum so I'll try this one.
One to do for a post COVID 19 world as the inches are gathering. Does anyone know if there is a rigging guide/route description of the Coniston Copper mine. I've got the field guide but does not describe the classic through route in enough detail and i fear it's much more complex than it's made to look.

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Re: Coniston Copper Mine Survey
« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2020, 05:33:15 pm »
By Coniston Copper mine, I'm assuming you're talking about the Paddy's End to Hospital Level through trip (there is another throughtrip, but I cant remember what its called and its not as good).

Good description here:
https://yorkcavingclub.org.uk/reports/index.php?cave=88

In the past I've driven up to Copper Mines Valley and parked up there, instead of in the village - saves you a couple of miles and some height gain. Park in the big layby here:
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.377623,-3.0947951,35m/data=!3m1!1e3

Paddy's End is here (its massive, you cant miss it!!)
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.3817936,-3.1097492,26m/data=!3m1!1e3

and I think Hospital Level is here (near the little foot bridge):
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.3800446,-3.1050884,30m/data=!3m1!1e3

For ropes, I'd take something like a 15m, 50m, 30m and 30m and a selection of slings and krabs - that should get you all the way through to Hospital Level. There is a number of fixed aids in there, including some steel cable traverse lines and a couple of fixed ropes.  Personally I wouldn't pull through as its quite complex and easy to get lost and can be a little collapsy in places - so there is no guarantee you'll get through.

Its a really good trip, well worth a visit.

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Re: Coniston Copper Mine Survey
« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2020, 05:35:38 pm »

and I think Hospital Level is here (near the little foot bridge):
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.3800446,-3.1050884,30m/data=!3m1!1e3


Yep, that's definitely Hospital Level by the bridge, unfortunately the only part of the trip where the water goes over welly height - right at the end!

Cracking trip!
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Re: Coniston Copper Mine Survey
« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2020, 05:42:21 pm »
I wonder if the other through trip has been fixed after Mackrill Junior broke it :p

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Re: Coniston Copper Mine Survey
« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2020, 06:25:15 pm »
A couple of Snips courtesy of the CATMHS, i'm sure that some of these can be found as hidden gems inside their newsletters. http://www.catmhs.org.uk/past-newsletters/

The two surveys are from the Coniston copper mines rediscovered CD http://www.catmhs.org.uk/on-line-shop-2/ A great CD with loads of photo's of places that you wouldn't normally get to see and also heavy on the colour, so unlikely to find printed in a book!

and the Red dell surface overview is from "Coniston copper mines- a field guide" by Eric G. Holland 1981. found in a charity shop by a family member for £2.

I have only been for a surface walk with non cavers, I think it was part of some mountain festival in Ambleside, a couple of years ago. The use and reuse of water there for driving some of the machinery is very impressive, our guide (who was off for a trip to Alderley Edge the day after) was great.

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Re: Coniston Copper Mine Survey
« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2020, 07:04:13 pm »
Page 10 of Newsletter 2 from 1982 gets you a similar survey. seems to be the full overview but without the coloured lines showing suggested routes.
http://www.catmhs.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/NEWSLETTER-002-1982.pdf


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Re: Coniston Copper Mine Survey
« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2020, 07:13:51 pm »
The trip from The Crater (up near Levers Water) to the Hospital Level is a pleasant, relaively easy one, taking you past the 'Big Blue Rock':


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Re: Coniston Copper Mine Survey
« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2020, 02:59:47 pm »
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Re: Coniston Copper Mine Survey
« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2020, 05:47:01 pm »
Wha me, no never  :halo:

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Re: Coniston Copper Mine Survey
« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2020, 06:27:55 pm »
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Re: Coniston Copper Mine Survey
« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2020, 11:58:09 pm »
Err, no.

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« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2020, 01:30:47 am »
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Re: Coniston Copper Mine Survey
« Reply #12 on: May 01, 2020, 07:08:55 pm »
Hi, thanks for the responses. I'll have a look at the info in the links and hopefully glean enough info to do the Paddy to Hospital Level through trip.  AS a matter of interest is it still a bit loose or has work been done to stabilise it?
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Re: Coniston Copper Mine Survey
« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2020, 08:35:58 am »
Quite loose in places, especially the last (I think) pitch.  Quite a long, steep slope to the pitch head with plenty of looseness - tread carefully and stay at the top of the slope if someone is on the rope would be my advice.

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Re: Coniston Copper Mine Survey
« Reply #14 on: May 04, 2020, 10:02:27 am »
Skyrmy's right about the last pitch on the Crater–Hospital Level trip. I'd advise you to get out of the way at the bottom (the way on is through a passage that has been heavily reinforced by scaffolding, so you can shelter in there).

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Re: Coniston Copper Mine Survey
« Reply #15 on: May 05, 2020, 03:53:12 pm »
(the way on is through a passage that has been heavily reinforced by scaffolding, so you can shelter in there).

The last pitch lands on top of the reinforced stuff - false floor of sorts (safer than any other you'll find in there LOL).  You climb down a ladder of sorts to the floor and head back under.

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Re: Coniston Copper Mine Survey
« Reply #16 on: May 08, 2020, 11:15:52 am »
Thanks again for the inputs. I was hoping to do a pull through so was trying to gauge how complex route finding is and if the route was obvious. If its best to go in and out of Paddy as a  first Coniston trip are the pitches rigged ok for prusiking? Thanks
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Re: Coniston Copper Mine Survey
« Reply #17 on: May 08, 2020, 11:29:11 am »
I've never had an issue going back up the pitches - just rig carefully to avoid rope rub.

I seem to remember having to use a tacklebag as a rope protector on the 2nd pitch though....

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Re: Coniston Copper Mine Survey
« Reply #18 on: May 08, 2020, 12:03:00 pm »
Fatman, I've sent you a PM about the Copper Mines.

 

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