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U.K. conservation not working
« on: May 15, 2007, 10:10:43 am »
U.K. Nature reserves under threat

damage by too many people
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6656447.stm

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Re: U.K. conservation not working
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2007, 10:14:49 am »
damage by too many people

You may be right, but there is no mention of this being the cause in the news item.

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« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2007, 10:19:11 am »
Well if wild natural habitats are "invaded"
surely they will tend to become degraded.

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« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2007, 10:24:23 am »
There are many reasons why a reserve might be under threat. For example, the release of mink into the environment might decimate native species that were supposed to be protected, but the release of the mink is not directly related to human pressures, or 'too many people' as you put it.

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« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2007, 10:25:33 am »
Well if wild natural habitats are "invaded"
surely they will tend to become degraded.

Like caves, for example?  :-\

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Re: U.K. conservation not working
« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2007, 10:37:00 am »
Easy answer: stop caving.  :coffee:

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« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2007, 12:05:58 pm »
There are many reasons why a reserve might be under threat. For example, the release of mink into the environment might decimate native species that were supposed to be protected, but the release of the mink is not directly related to human pressures, or 'too many people' as you put it.

I disagree Peter, your minks were introduced to our country by people

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« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2007, 12:12:04 pm »
by , If I remember correctly, a bunch of animal liberationists who thought the minks right to run around and kill everything in the natural landscape was being eroded by their captivity and farming for fur.

Simillar thing happend when some wild board got released because the poor fluffy creatures were destined to be sausages.

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Re: U.K. conservation not working
« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2007, 12:15:08 pm »
There are many reasons why a reserve might be under threat. For example, the release of mink into the environment might decimate native species that were supposed to be protected, but the release of the mink is not directly related to human pressures, or 'too many people' as you put it.

I disagree Peter, your minks were introduced to our country by people

You said "too many people". It only takes one person to release a bunch of minks. So one person is one too many?

Your original point was that "too many people" (presumably visiting or otherwise abusing the reserves) were the cause of the decline. I am just suggesting that your comment was too general.

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« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2007, 12:25:14 pm »
Yes, you are right, it was too general, there are of course, lots of reasons why our wild areas are suffering but I would have thought the main culprit was man, either individually or just because the population is ever expanding, where will it end, a U.k. population of 100,000,000
would that be enough to decimate all our nature reserves?

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« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2007, 02:28:04 pm »
Decimate (i.e. reduce by 10%) is easy - just draw an arbitrary line around an area which is flagged as a nature reserve and then redraw the line a while later, reducing the overall area under observation by said percentage. Hey presto. Decimation.

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Re: U.K. conservation not working
« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2007, 11:53:54 pm »
Decimate:

decimate
This comes from the Latin decimare, meaning 'take the tenth man', and means 'kill or remove one in ten of'. It is now often used to mean 'damage severely', 'destroy or kill most of': Tuberculosis decimated the population; Cheap imports decimated the coal industry. Many people deplore this, both because of the meaning and because of the use of decimate with a single entity: you cannot destroy one in ten of the coal industry, although you may close one pit in ten. However, this usage is now very common, and seems likely to become accepted.

Perhaps the root meaning would satisfy the 'Hang the bastards' brigade.

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« Reply #12 on: July 18, 2007, 02:23:16 am »
Oh dear I can see lots of do-gooders closing everything.

The real answer is to reduce the population, anything else is pointless fiddling at the edge. I don't mean shooting a few in the head, while plenty warrant that attention but simply not breeding the next generation simply to pay for our pensions.

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« Reply #13 on: July 18, 2007, 03:18:04 am »
Thanks Jopo for 'decimate' - I didn't know that.

Part of the problem with reserves is that they are sometimes isolated plots of something that should not automatically have boundaries. A piece of pristine forest will never be perfect if beyond the immediate limits of the reserve (literally over the fence) are areas that are not reserves and subject to little or no control. Pants and animlas will come and go as they please with no respect for arbitrary boundaries, and consequently the balance within the reserve changes.

So although reserves are a great idea in principle, they either need to expand or conservation needs to be broadened.
Little islands of conservation soon get swallowed up.

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Re: U.K. conservation not working
« Reply #14 on: July 18, 2007, 08:27:33 am »
Oh dear I can see lots of do-gooders closing everything.

The real answer is to reduce the population, anything else is pointless fiddling at the edge. I don't mean shooting a few in the head, while plenty warrant that attention but simply not breeding the next generation simply to pay for our pensions.

I bred mine to pay for my pension and to wait on me hand and foot.
Wot tiny writing!

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Re: U.K. conservation not working
« Reply #15 on: July 18, 2007, 08:43:48 am »
... some wild board ... poor fluffy creatures ...



 :shrug: they don't look very fluffy to me?
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« Reply #16 on: July 18, 2007, 09:04:48 am »
... some wild board ... poor fluffy creatures ...



 :shrug: they don't look very fluffy to me?
Let the culling start here, I am sure the fluffy bunnies, caves and forests wont miss them.

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Re: U.K. conservation not working
« Reply #17 on: July 18, 2007, 09:06:25 am »
Yeh, people like them are about as useful to the world in general as, say, IT workers.

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Re: U.K. conservation not working
« Reply #18 on: July 18, 2007, 09:12:45 am »
What has the Board of Directors of the Reserve Bank of Australia got to do with this topic in any way whatsoever?

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Re: U.K. conservation not working
« Reply #19 on: July 18, 2007, 09:13:59 am »
What has the Board of Directors of the Reserve Bank of Australia got to do with this topic in any way whatsoever?
Read very carefully. ;)
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Re: U.K. conservation not working
« Reply #20 on: July 18, 2007, 09:26:57 am »
Yeh, people like them are about as useful to the world in general as, say, IT workers.
:o I'm not I.T I'm in communications  :ras: I enable people to work from home and so save the planet and reduce road traffic.  :smartass: I seam to have plenty of management who constantly send me emails about what's changing, then more emails saying its changed again when my actual job hasn't changed since I joined. The culling of management is always a good thing in my view, they are not needed in most cases.

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Re: U.K. conservation not working
« Reply #21 on: July 18, 2007, 04:50:05 pm »
Pants ..... will come and go as they please with no respect for arbitrary boundaries,


 ;D

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Re: U.K. conservation not working
« Reply #22 on: July 18, 2007, 08:09:05 pm »
Pants ..... will come and go as they please with no respect for arbitrary boundaries,


 ;D
YAY I Supports this me!

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Re: U.K. conservation not working
« Reply #23 on: July 19, 2007, 03:12:04 am »
Pants ..... will come and go as they please with no respect for arbitrary boundaries,


 ;D
:-[ oops

 

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