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The referendum - how will YOU vote?

royfellows

Well-known member
andrewmcleod said:
royfellows said:
I was talking to one of my Welsh farmer friends over the weekend and he had voted exit. I asked about his subsidies and he was confident that they would be replaced by something else.

Personally I would be quite happy to see the end of sheep ruining the uplands of my native land, and get a bit of rewilding in. Although as a socialist I probably wouldn't be throwing the farmers out with the sheep...

I would hazard a guess then that things aren't going quite the way you would like lately, still you could always do a bit of caving.
;)
 

droid

Active member
andrewmcleod said:
Personally I would be quite happy to see the end of sheep ruining the uplands of my native land, and get a bit of rewilding in. Although as a socialist I probably wouldn't be throwing the farmers out with the sheep...

You might not be so keen to bushwhack through Birch scrub to get to your fave crag.

Or have many viewpoints obscured......
 

Madness

New member
droid said:
andrewmcleod said:
Personally I would be quite happy to see the end of sheep ruining the uplands of my native land, and get a bit of rewilding in. Although as a socialist I probably wouldn't be throwing the farmers out with the sheep...

You might not be so keen to bushwhack through Birch scrub to get to your fave crag.

Or have many viewpoints obscured......

The fantastic mountain scenery that we have in the UK wouldn't exist without it being managed the way it has been for centuries. Droid is right. Remove the sheep and watch it all rapidly change.

I believe farmers need help, but I don't believe they should get any payments without giving anything in return. Pay them to create new footpaths and bridleways across their land, allow better public access, undertake conservation projects.
 

droid

Active member
Madness said:
Remove the sheep and watch it all rapidly change.

Andrew will probably know Millstone Edge near Hathersage.

About 30 years ago, they kicked out the sheep from the area of moorland behind the crag. 10 years ago it was 20 foot tall birch woodland. Probably taller now, haven't been up that way for 10 years....
 

Madness

New member
droid said:
Madness said:
Remove the sheep and watch it all rapidly change.

Andrew will probably know Millstone Edge near Hathersage.

About 30 years ago, they kicked out the sheep from the area of moorland behind the crag. 10 years ago it was 20 foot tall birch woodland. Probably taller now, haven't been up that way for 10 years....

Funny that you should mention Millstone. Me and a mate went climbing there on Wednesday evening. Neither of us had climbed there for quite a few years and we both commented on how much it had changed over the years and how 'overgrown' the area below the crag had become. It's very different from when I first climbed there 28 years ago and not necessarily changed for the better.
 

andrewmcleod

Well-known member
droid said:
You might not be so keen to bushwhack through Birch scrub to get to your fave crag.

Or have many viewpoints obscured......

This is obviously a downside, but the high(est) mountains will still be bare, and better to avoid the current ecological desert of grass, grass and more grass. I am not the most important thing on the hill, and it isn't there for my enjoyment :)
 

Madness

New member
andrewmcleod said:
droid said:
You might not be so keen to bushwhack through Birch scrub to get to your fave crag.

Or have many viewpoints obscured......

This is obviously a downside, but the high(est) mountains will still be bare, and better to avoid the current ecological desert of grass, grass and more grass. I am not the most important thing on the hill, and it isn't there for my enjoyment :)

Have you been talking to Kenilworth? ;)
 

droid

Active member
andrewmcleod said:
This is obviously a downside, but the high(est) mountains will still be bare, and better to avoid the current ecological desert of grass, grass and more grass. I am not the most important thing on the hill, and it isn't there for my enjoyment :)

Anyone that thinks upland grasslands are an 'ecological desert' clearly has no real knowledge of ecology.....
 

ChrisJC

Well-known member
RobinGriffiths said:
Hermann Hauser isn't so happy though. I guess you must have more shares than him?
I think that's a matter of principle for him. My interest is more financial.

Chris.
 

royfellows

Well-known member
ChrisJC said:
RobinGriffiths said:
Hermann Hauser isn't so happy though. I guess you must have more shares than him?
I think that's a matter of principle for him. My interest is more financial.

Chris.

Shame about Capital Gains Tax eh Chris. Takes the icing off the cake.
Good luck to you anyway
I once sold 25p Rule 4 shares for ?6.50, competitive takeover.
 

Alex

Well-known member
Well where has Brit exit got us so far.

An economic downturn we are producing less than 50 at 47.7 (so going down by 2.2)

A prime minster who wants to remove human rights, snoop on our e-mails and happy to nuke civilians.

Loss of standing in the eyes of the world, scientific investment drying up.

Doing well arnt we?
 

royfellows

Well-known member
If you say so

Its actually too early to say anything. From BBC website:


"We won't actually know really what is happening to the economy until the Autumn," said Paul Johnson, director of the respected economic forecasting group IFS.

"There are lots of concerns in terms of uncertainty and business reacts to uncertainty."

"It's not people talking about the uncertainty which causes the problem - it's the uncertainty itself," he said on The World At One.
 
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